well, ive already refuted your arguments 3 times in this thread, but since you refuse to listen...

Why there's a sun in the Shivering Isles and why it harms vampires like Magnus does
gameplay mechanics.
Why the Shivering Isles have intelligent native mortal life.
you mean boliwogs and stuff? they are simply another part of Sheogorath, like everything else in his realm. realm=personification of daedra. They could alternatively also be lesser Daedra in Sheo's service.
Why Nirn's gravity is noticeably less than that of earth (this is not only evident in the physics, but in the sheer weight that can be carried).
Encumbrance is just a game mechanic, it is never specified that 1 unit = 1 pound, and it doesnt make any sense for it to. Why do certain items have no weight at all? i could just as well claim that gravity only showed up in Oblivion, since there were no physics before.
How Oblivion can have both the vast void and inhabitable locations.
the void is separate from the planes/planets, they are simply given the same name.
Why the stars are of varying colors
source? "mortal mental stress"
How Daedra Princes can gain or lose territory
since the daedra's realm is just a personification of the daedra i would think that they just need to think it. the more powerful the daedra the bigger his realm. wars can be fought over followers (lesser daedra), personal disagreements, or just for giggles.

satisfied yet? or will we have to answer these same questions again a couple posts down?

Like my own ideas, this is speculation.


They're mortal, because http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:An_Elytra%27s_Life http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:From_Frog_to_Man. It's also said that the Grummite were the original inhabitants of the isles, even if it's more of a rumor.


Again, speculation regarding blaming things on the devs. They were able to make the Deadlands not harm vampires, it wouldn't have been hard to do the same to the Shivering Isles
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More speculation, based on the mortal Tamrielocentric viewpoint.

SPECULATION?!? are you saying that people really have an exact limit to how much they can carry, and if they go even .1 unit over they suddenly cant move at all? can a dude really carry 400 pounds of crap while running around in heavy armor? can people really carry 70 volumes of the real barenziah and not have it show up anywhere on their person? are you saying that everyone has a page full of stats and gets to choose bonuses to apply when they level up? is underwear wired to the body? do people not poop or have to eat? does cyrodiil really have only 1000 inhabitants? do people really see the ownership of an item when they look over it? can people only choose between 3 topics during conversation, which will be answered the same way no matter what? no, all of that is gameplay mechanics, just like encumbrance and the SI sun. claiming otherwise is just... beyond words :mellow:

being 'mortal' or rather reproducing doesnt eliminate them from being part of sheo. if he can make part of himself into giant mushrooms he can just as well make little froggy people that mate.

Oblivion planes are set up to use the OblivionDefaultClimate climate, which sets all the weather (crackly skies) and makes it so vamps arent hurt. Since SI has multiple regions and multiple weather patterns, it cant use a single climate, and hence cant eliminate a sun that harms vamps.

my "speculation" is based on in game sources explaining oblivion realms. your is based on the fact that people can carry 400 pounds.

find me an in game book that says nirn and oblivion are spherical planets orbiting a sun. just one. i dont want "proof" that i can explain away with common sense game restraints and other already established lore.

How can you speculate.........if you use sources???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: CP, your viewpoint is hilarious.

Which means what exactly? They are half spheres and that's a fact and the gameplay mechanics can't change that. You still owe me an explanation how is it possible.


But those people who tell myths, write the books and build the orreries they are not just some observers who look up to the sky and imagining how does the world out there look like, but they have been there, they visited the moons and they have been to the stars, they have the evidence, which is something you can't say.

Good point. There have been both Altmeri and Imperial explorers who have visited Oblivion and Aetherius. Temple-Zero's theory would not exist if they had found anything else.

Yes,


But Sheogorath in itself isn't a Daedric prince, it's a position. And the Isles don't conform to Sheogorath, they are shaped. And the Grummites not only show no affiliation to Sheogorath, they get in the way of his goals.


It's still possible to set them to not give sun damage.


Oh yes, it totally explains your claims regarding Sheogorath and gravity. And even those that are sourced rely on the speculation that the limited mortal tamrielocentric viewpoint given in most of such lore is actually accurate. Which Haskill seems to http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/si_interview.shtml with.


Is that all that counts, in-game books? As if they weren't already written from a limited and centrist viewpoint (hardly a common phenomenon), there's more to TES than books and texts. I didn't say that all of Oblivion is a planet, I said that the planes of them are. As for proof, I've already given them; seasons, the Firmament, gravity, the reason that Atmora is colder than Tamriel, the reason there's no edge of Nirn known, and the interview with Haskill. He says that Oblivion is more than Mundus's shadow and not everything in Oblivion involves Mundus. Hence Mundus is not at the figurative center of everything, hence it is most likely not at the center of everything either.

I'll take that over the mortal "everything revolves around us" idea, it certainly never required any real proof.


Yet it was done through portals, and/or teleportation, not through actual travel. It's kinda hard to know where you are when you don't have a reference.

Thought about that earlier. That's why this discussion is increasingly hilarious.

And CP reaaaaaaaally needs to stop using that Haskill quote. Haskill means jack crap. As if he's some sort of lore authority or something. And as if he doesn't have some sort of bias of his own. Good job.

No it wasn't.

The stars are our links to the plane of Aetherius, the source of all magical power, and therefore, light from the stars is the most potent and exalted of all magical powers.

From time to time, fragments of Aetherius fall from the heavens. The people know these fragments as 'shooting stars', and from time to time, such Aetherial fragments are found on Nirn. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/magic_sky.shtml, an oblivion book

Source? And even if they did, it was long before the Temple Zero society wrote their article. If it had been more recent, it would have been more well-known and studied, instead of having faded into obscurity. And Cosmology would certainly have more detail if it had.

It would be interesting, however, if this professed "space travel" was what made travel to and from both Aetherius and Oblivion easier back then. And it would fit in with that "Pelinal Whitestrake is an android from the future" theory, the "Yokuda was destroyed by a nuclear explosion" theory, and the "Planes of Oblivion are planets" theory.


It means a lot more than a bunch of lore written by ignorant mortals acting on their natural centrist ideas. And even he acknowledges the mortals' ideas that they're in the center of everything, something that shows in reality as well as fiction.

im just going to dump some non-cosmology quotes here that support what cosmology is saying. im done arguing, because you are nothing more than a troll whose sole purpose in these parts is to contradict established lore and derail perfectly fine discussions. no matter what we say you will not bulge, so im just going to give up and save myself a few minutes of typing.


oblivion surrounds nirn, just like cosmology says, hence it cant be a physical planet orbiting a sun.

the starts are holes into aetherius, like Cosm. states.

supports that Magnus is indeed a god/plane, instead of a ball of hydrogen and helium.

and thats only 5 minutes of searching.
the very existence of the Wheel as the nature of the universe negates the possibility of earth-like physics.

This is going round in ever decreasing circles so just before it completely disappears a member has fortunately asked for it to be curtailed. I agree.