CTDs on every fast travel : IV

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:02 am

I recently started a new char, and had what I considered a stable save, no crashes or errors in about 13 1/2 hours of playtime. But now I suddenly can't fast travel! I went through my mods, and the only differences I find from my last "stable" save are these:

Removed Masters (Save 163 - Falyn Indarys - First Edition, Level 4, Playing Time 09.18.40.ess):?  Quest Award Leveling SI.esp ?  Slof's Male Clothing.esp ?  WAC - BlackBootDungeon.esp ?  WAC - Player Summons.esp ?  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp ?  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp ?  LostSpiresImpeREALFortsPatch2.esp  Added Masters (Active Masters):?  AyleidFiringa.esp ?  Slof's Bracelet Collection.esp ?  KnightlyArmory.esp ?  MadMagesTowerBASIC.esp ?  The Ayleid Steps.esp ?  Gah Falquan Umarile.esp

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Ulrim's Horses.esm05  Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  CustomSpellIcons.esm08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.9]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]0C  LoadingScreens.esp0D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]0F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]10  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp**  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]++  Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp11  WindowLightingSystem.esp12  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]13  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp14  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp**  Cobl Bookjackets.esp++  CM_Better Wine_SI.esp++  Cyrodilic Brandy.esp**  VAs Better Gold with no Menu Icon.esp15  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.1]16  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.2]17  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]1B  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1C  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1D  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]1E  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp**  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp**  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp1F  AyleidFiringa.esp20  PTArtifacts.esp21  Slof's Bracelet Collection.esp22  SSA.esp  [Version 2.0]23  Vvardenfell_Imports.esp24  Slof's Horses Base.esp25  HRMHorseArmor.esp26  MELF_HorseSanity.esp27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]**  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]29  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]2A  WAC.esp2B  WAC - TCOS.esp2C  WAC - TCOS Shops.esp  [Version 03]2D  KnightlyArmory.esp2E  AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp2F  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]30  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp31  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp32  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp33  MadMagesTowerBASIC.esp34  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]35  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.1]36  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp37  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]38  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.2]39  Ulrim's Horses.esp3A  Knights.esp**  Knights - Book Jackets.esp3B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]++  Ulrim's Horses - Knights patch.esp3C  The Lost Spires.esp3D  Gah Falquan Umarile.esp3E  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]3F  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]40  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.3]41  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]42  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]43  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]**  FrbitPotionReplacer.esp44  SoulgemSalvation.esp45  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]46  Slof's Dogs.esp47  ATakesAll.esp48  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp49  RealisticForceMedium.esp4A  RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp4B  ClaimThatInterior.esp4C  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]4D  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]4E  MidasSpells.esp4F  SM Security.esp  [Version 1.2]50  Companion Mark and Recall.esp51  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]52  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]53  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]54  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]55  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]56  bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp  [Version 10.0UV-U]57  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]58  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]59  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  KoldornsImprovedLava2.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]5A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp5B  FormID Finder4.esp5C  Streamline 3.1.esp

Any help finding what's causing this?

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:56 pm

I also had this problem. It seemed to materialize after many hours in a game, despite no prior issues and no additional mods. I thought it might be related to the Companion Vilja mod where I posted my question. I discovered independently that travelling without a helmet or wigs is ok, but travelling with a helmet or wig will eventually fail. Then the people on the Vilja thread confirmed that something in the unofficial patch causes this problem.

The only workaround is ensure that no one is travelling in a helmet or wig.

Hope that is the same issue for you and helps give you only a minor irritation workaround.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:27 pm

By the way, have you disabled autosave on travel? Make sure you did that to confirm it's not autosave issue.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:47 pm

Then the people on the Vilja thread confirmed that something in the unofficial patch causes this problem.

Source? And how did they arrive at this conclusion?

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:26 am

Source? And how did they arrive at this conclusion?

This is a link to the discussion in the Vilja-thread no 2 about all companions arriving bald after fastttravelling when wearing a helmet or a whig http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1101547-relzcompanion-vilja-ver-21-thread-no-2/page__view__findpost__p__16120110. Occasionally this also seem to cause CTDs. The problem is however easily solved: remove the helmet/whigs from your companions before fasttravelling.

Note that it is not only UOP that has this effect on companions. The same thing happens when players use All Natural - Real Lights.

I'm sorry that I don't have more information to give, I'm merely repeating the conclusion others have come to in the Vilja-thread.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:24 pm

Just a point about the bald companion problem - it is somehow related to the old companion doubling bug on fast travel, if you use the Wrye Bash fix (in the form of an in-game spell) it sorts the problem.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:28 pm

I'm having this problem as well, but it doesn't seem to be from Vilja, but from Viconia. I can't even take her through any doors that require loading or the game just crashes as soon as I'm through. It's the same with fast travel. Vilja seems to be able to follow me anywhere. I have had her come through bald as well, though.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:44 pm

I've had the same thing happen, where a successful fast travel will result in a bald Vilja, however most will CTD. Stopped happening for me when I kept her hat-less (she's cuter that way anywho). Still will occasionally get random CTDs, but that seemed to alleviate a lot of my fast-travel CTD's.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:04 pm

I've had the same thing happen, where a successful fast travel will result in a bald Vilja, however most will CTD. Stopped happening for me when I kept her hat-less (she's cuter that way anywho). Still will occasionally get random CTDs, but that seemed to alleviate a lot of my fast-travel CTD's.

hmmm...I'll give this a try with Vilja and Viconia. thanks!

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:59 pm

hmmm...I'll give this a try with Vilja and Viconia. thanks!

HA! you've done it my friend. No more CTD on fast travel or new area transitions. Thanks SOOOO much.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:30 pm

I've had the same thing happen, where a successful fast travel will result in a bald Vilja, however most will CTD. Stopped happening for me when I kept her hat-less (she's cuter that way anywho). Still will occasionally get random CTDs, but that seemed to alleviate a lot of my fast-travel CTD's.

Wow, this must be the most random fix I have heard of yet...

Edit: I might have missed this since I do not use fast travel, but maybe this is the source of the RTT crashes too. I like giving them hoods to wear on ocassion...

Edit: Does anyone have a clue as to what that fix does?

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Just tried travelling without helmet, didn't work.

Also double-checked if autosave on travel was disabled - it was.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:43 pm

I was having a problem with crashing after fast travel that started after downloading the Stoker Wolf Companion mod and the Hero Store mod. I noted after a while the game crashed when Stoker's horse was out and about. I unchecked my Horse armor DLC and reverted to an earlier save (that still included both the Stoker Wolf Companion Mod and the Hero Store Mod). I then got on my horse with both Vilja and Stoker at my side and waited for them to summon and mount their horses. We rode our horses for a bit then I dismounted and waited for Stoker's horse to go 'poof". I then fast traveled and have had no crashes since then.

My problem ended up being a crash to desktop if Stoker's Horse was present. I have no idea why but I now just wait till his horse goes poof before I fast travel when I have him traveling the roads with me.

I tested this with Vilja's horse out and about and no crash so for me Vilja's horse is safe.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:54 pm

I don't use any companions, and I think my horse is dead (:P), so I don't think that's my problem.
I'll try to disable UOP and see if it works then.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:08 pm

Just disabled UOP. Didn't work. Then I disabled the Bashed Patch. Didn't work either. I'm pretty desperate now

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:15 pm

Can you fast travel without companions? Have you tried deactivating every mods, literally every mod and then individual mods?

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:49 am

Just disabled UOP. Didn't work. Then I disabled the Bashed Patch. Didn't work either. I'm pretty desperate now

This may sound stupid but have you tried on an old save? maybe the save you are trying now is corrupted? Maybe try disablling the UOP and try on a old save ?