The Deep Ones

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:21 pm

Those were the Sleepers. The Dreamers were the half naked folk who hung outside towns and were whiny little [censored]es after you kill Ur.

"The road is now straight, without turning. Now let there be an end to all things" or whatever the hell they said.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:01 pm

Oh yeah
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:10 am

Lovecraft is the oldest writer I know who created these evil entities who corrupt and drive its followers mad. Same with Dagoth Ur, his fanatics slowly deform and go mad. But its probably a coincidence after all.


Lovecraft owes a lot to Edgar Allan Poe and Arthur Machen. I believe he had even said that himself.

But that's off-topic, so I'll stop.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:45 pm

Considering that most of the dreamers (at least the ones I've seen) were dunmer and that hackdirt consisted of imperials (humans) I find that theory unlikely. Plus werent the dreamers being mind controlled by Dagoth Ur I would think that would stop once he was dead.


Ah right, wasnt corprus and blight disease supposed to dissappear for good as well if Dagoth Ur dies? I never actually finished the main quest....

But then again evil people like Dagoth always have a plan B(or is it C in this case since Nerevar killed him once before), maybe somebody important from the 6th house survived and is carrying corprus in a sealed jar of pickles or Ur managed to transfer his soul somewhere...

You never know, everything is possible in fictional universes like TES right?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:03 pm

I'm quite sure that the Blight and the mind control of Ur is over.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:51 am

Ah right, wasnt corprus and blight disease supposed to dissappear for good as well if Dagoth Ur dies? I never actually finished the main quest....

But then again evil people like Dagoth always have a plan B(or is it C in this case since Nerevar killed him once before), maybe somebody important from the 6th house survived and is carrying corprus in a sealed jar of pickles or Ur managed to transfer his soul somewhere...

You never know, everything is possible in fictional universes like TES right?

Blight and Corpus are no longer being produced, but those infected with corpus and blight are still running around, and thus the two diseases really won't be gone until every infected person and animal is killed and burned.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:25 pm

I didn't stop to ask the weird cultists whatthe Deep Ones were. I just stole one of the spiky clubs and shattered some skulls. I love clubs. My favourite moment ever in Oblivion was when i smashed a zombie in the face with a club halfway up a hill and then watching his corpse fly into a nearby wall.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:01 am

I think that while the vectors of the corprus and blight diseases (probably magical, not pathogenic) was terminated its effects were so devastating on the minds and bodies of the affected that they can't be cured or turned back to normal, like how people simply cannot regrown a lost limb with current medical technology.

Maybe Divath Fyr will keep trying to restore the last Dwemer to normal out of boredom though.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:45 pm

But can he restore himself?

Incidentally, the answer is grummites.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:31 pm

They're called "Easter Eggs."


In a game that focuses so heavily on lore and which, as a direct consequence, attracts a load of logophiles and lore fanatics, there is no such thing as an Easter egg. Even things intended as such become part of the game lore. You can have King Koopa make a run through a Zelda game and its all in good fun. . . but if Link and Koopa are encountered in a Morrowind tower. . . interdimensional breeches will need be discussed, is Link a manifestation of the Eternal Champion, are both Link AND Koopa Daedric Princes or at the least powerful lesser Daedra who have developed a means for transdimensional travel through the multiverse!!!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:04 pm

There's a possibility that's often overlooked - perhaps the Deep Ones are demigods or entities which don't fall into any of the traditional pantheons of the ES Universe. If we look back to Arena and proto-Arena lore, there were many many unexplained deities and champions in Tamriel which were not directly associated with the Divines or the Daedra. It might be that the Deep Ones simply represent some forgotten pagan entities from the infancy of Tamriel, who were perhaps in place before the Earth Bones finished falling into place. Or maybe they ARE Earth Bones - lesser ones who never made it into any official pantheon. Or perhaps the Hackdirt citizens are crazy.


For what it's worth, the Deep Ones from Lovecraftian lore followed a deity known as Dagon, whom in turn served the Old God, Cthulu. (Or was another aspect of Cthulu. I'm not sure) No equivalent of Cthulu exists in TES lore that I am aware of, but the being Dagon is a Daedric Prince who happens to be the main nemesis behind the main quest. So perhaps this is simply an extension of the Mythic Dawn or another cult of Dagon, and maybe the Deep Ones are Daedra. This would explain why they were gone for a long while, but recently returned when the Oblivion Crisis began.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:31 pm

In a game that focuses so heavily on lore and which, as a direct consequence, attracts a load of logophiles and lore fanatics, there is no such thing as an Easter egg. Even things intended as such become part of the game lore.

Not really, even the craziest of us know an Easter Egg when we see one...
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:47 pm

There's a possibility that's often overlooked - perhaps the Deep Ones are demigods or entities which don't fall into any of the traditional pantheons of the ES Universe. If we look back to Arena and proto-Arena lore, there were many many unexplained deities and champions in Tamriel which were not directly associated with the Divines or the Daedra. It might be that the Deep Ones simply represent some forgotten pagan entities from the infancy of Tamriel, who were perhaps in place before the Earth Bones finished falling into place. Or maybe they ARE Earth Bones - lesser ones who never made it into any official pantheon. Or perhaps the Hackdirt citizens are crazy.


That's the best explanation I've read beyond it being an Easter-egg tribute to Lovecraft.

For what it's worth, the Deep Ones from Lovecraftian lore followed a deity known as Dagon, whom in turn served the Old God, Cthulu. (Or was another aspect of Cthulu. I'm not sure) No equivalent of Cthulu exists in TES lore that I am aware of, but the being Dagon is a Daedric Prince who happens to be the main nemesis behind the main quest. So perhaps this is simply an extension of the Mythic Dawn or another cult of Dagon, and maybe the Deep Ones are Daedra. This would explain why they were gone for a long while, but recently returned when the Oblivion Crisis began.


Mehrunes Dagon doesn't line up nicely with real-world Dagons (Lovecraft's Dagon or the Dagon of the ancient Middle East). Lovecraft's Dagon is a tentacled sea monster, and the ancient Dagon is a god of agriculture. Latter-day depictions of Dagon and (probably specious) reinventions of mostly-lost legends make Dagon out to be a fish-god, which is a tradition Lovecraft drew on. None of these have a Dagon who is a god of fire and destruction and carries a damned big axe.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:07 pm

There is the possibility of Mora, since he/it likes to do various studies so it could be some sort of social experiment.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:16 pm

First of all, we don't know any of that. Second, he tends not to interfere in mortal's lives. They tend to come to him, seeking forbidden knowledge. Mephala on the other hand...

My dig with the 'They are Aedra, et al' theory is that Aedra tend to be static and wouldn't favor one community over another unless they had a reason for that affected the world.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:33 am

In a game that focuses so heavily on lore and which, as a direct consequence, attracts a load of logophiles and lore fanatics, there is no such thing as an Easter egg. Even things intended as such become part of the game lore. You can have King Koopa make a run through a Zelda game and its all in good fun. . . but if Link and Koopa are encountered in a Morrowind tower. . . interdimensional breeches will need be discussed, is Link a manifestation of the Eternal Champion, are both Link AND Koopa Daedric Princes or at the least powerful lesser Daedra who have developed a means for transdimensional travel through the multiverse!!!


:rofl: That is awesome not to mention the truth behind it

You sir deserve a cookie! :cookie:
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:12 am

First of all, we don't know any of that. Second, he tends not to interfere in mortal's lives. They tend to come to him, seeking forbidden knowledge. Mephala on the other hand...

My dig with the 'They are Aedra, et al' theory is that Aedra tend to be static and wouldn't favor one community over another unless they had a reason for that affected the world.


He did want the souls of all the races. Going with a reference to lovecraft, we could look at Mora. Its all in good humor.
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