Doors stuck after removing imperial city pack : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:31 pm

After a while, i found that using redbag's imperial city pack was too heavy for my computer, so i decided to remove it. only one problem... after removing it, all the doors that were moved by the mod were stuck in the place where redbag placed them. i can still access buildings (i still can see a little piece of the door which i can activate) but it just looks ugly. does anyone know what made that happen, and if so, how to fix it? i tried using other imperial city retexturing/beautifying mods, because they would perhaps place the doors in the right place, but they didn't. also i started a new game, and the doors stood in the right place, but when loading my older savegame, they didn't.

Here's my LO (clintmichs beautiful imperial city and impereal city weren't in my installation at the time i had redbag's installed):

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» Sat May 28, 2011 6:00 pm

That unfortunately is what will always happen when removing a mod which repositions persistent objects (such as doors) from an existing game. The position of persistent objects will be stored permanently in your game-saves the instant the object is first loaded into memory. If a mod relocates that object before it has been loaded into memory for the first time, then this is the location it will appear in. If that mod is then de-activated, the persistent object will remain in the position the mod has placed it in. The only way to avoid this is if the mod disables the original object and replaces it, so that when the mod is de-activated, the replacement disappears and the original disabled object will be restored unmoved.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:44 am

so there's no way to fix it, except making my own mod in cs, where i move the doors a little, or removing the doors and placing my own doors?

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:10 pm

There are two ways to fix it, both require using the CS, and one way doesn't always work.

You can: create your own mod (don't have any ESPs active in the CS), find each of the related doors, duplicate that door, then disable and unlink the original door - you will also need to check whether anything in the vanilla game references those doors, and might need to redirect those references (TES4Edit is the best tool to find references). If you're not experienced with using the CS or TES4Edit, then this is risky as you could break something in-game.
OR
Find each of the related doors (don't have any ESPs active in the CS), note down each one's XYZ positional/rotational coordinates, then return to the game, approach each door in turn, open the console, click on the door in front of you, and use "setpos x ###" "setpos y ###" "setpos z ###" to reposition it back to vanilla, and possibly "setangle x ###" "setangle y ###" "setangle z ###"
After repositioning a door, you will most likely have to leave the worldspace/interior cell the door is placed in and return for the door to be usable, but this should place the door back where it belongs. However, with some objects, repositioning using the console doesn't work (I think this only has problems with havoked objects such as swinging signs and chain-hanging lights).

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:26 am

ok thanks, but how do i get the XYZ coordinates in cs? im real cs noob

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:55 pm

Find each door and double-click on it. This will open the Properties window for the door, which displays the coordinates. Don't bother going more than two spaces past the decimal. 1000023.34244, just use 1000023.34 in the console.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:27 am

ok thx, i think i can do that

i just need to make a map with the doors that aren't in the correct place (cause some doors are in the correct place...)