STALKER Discussion

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:40 pm

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Strelok, the player character from SoC
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I thought it was really nice that they put the ultimate fate of the main character of this first series of Stalker games in the player's hands again. He wasn't merely an NPC, you had an actual reason to want to see him get to the helicopter.
Did you realize Clear Sky's secret, by the way? :P

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:39 pm

Alright, I've nearly finished my second playthrough of Soc. Which one should I get next?
Complete 2009 makes the game look amazing, and being able to shoot out lights is a VERY nice touch.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 pm

I would recommend playing the games in the order in which they were released. That'd mean playing Clear Sky after SoC.
Clear Sky may be the weakest of the three, but it's still very much worth playing imho.
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Kitana Lucas
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:48 am

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I thought it was really nice that they put the ultimate fate of the main character of this first series of Stalker games in the player's hands again. He wasn't merely an NPC, you had an actual reason to want to see him get to the helicopter.
Did you realize Clear Sky's secret, by the way? :P


I never finished Clear Sky, ran into too many bugs (Some of them being very distracting graphics bugs), so I don't know what you're referring to.

May give it another try when I switch to windows 7. Who knows, maybe it magically fixes the problems...
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:45 am

I never finished Clear Sky, ran into too many bugs (Some of them being very distracting graphics bugs), so I don't know what you're referring to.
You don't really need to have finished CS to find it as long as you're familiar enough with the faction. There are some interesting clues regarding who they were in CoP.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:57 am

You don't really need to have finished CS to find it as long as you're familiar enough with the faction. There are some interesting clues regarding who they were in CoP.

What, you mean that Clear Sky was

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Run by scientists who worked at the X-series of labs and may have been involved in the noosphere experiments that formed the foundation of the project to create the C-Consciousness? Or that Clear Sky members were incorporated into the Monolith Faction after the events of the game?

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:50 pm

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Run by scientists who worked at the X-series of labs and may have been involved in the noosphere experiments that formed the foundation of the project to create the C-Consciousness?
That. And probably involved with the project itself as well. The document mentions it, after all.
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I also think that the experiments that in the long run led to the creation of the C-Consciousness predate the X-labs (which were a continuation of and expansion on earlier work) and even the original Chernobyl incident. I think that the timeline actually starts with Limansk, based on what we learn about the place in CS.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:28 pm

That.
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Although the experiments that in the end led to the creation of the C-Consciousness predate the X-labs (which were a continuation of and expansion on earlier work) and even the original Chernobyl incident, imho. I hold that the timeline starts with Limansk.


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I disagree, partially. The X8 documents are quite clear that noosphere research occured in the X-labs. While Limansk may have been the site of the earliest noosphere research, all evidence indicates that this research was also continued in X16, X8, and X7, quite possibly X18, and the CNPP. (Assuming X7 isn't the CNPP) Consider that a model of the Duga-3 antenna array can be found inside X8. (Note, Duga-3 is the Brain scorcher)


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We still haven't found out whether or not Duga-1 and Duga-2 were part of the same research that went into making the Brain scorcher. It'd be interesting to see what could happen if Duga-1 and Duga-2 were in fact capable of interfacing with the noosphere. Considering that they are in southern Ukraine and not inside the zone like Duga-3 is.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:35 am

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I disagree, partially. The X8 documents are quite clear that noosphere research occured in the X-labs. While Limansk may have been the site of the earliest noosphere research, all evidence indicates that this research was also continued in X16, X8, and X7, quite possibly X18, and the CNPP. (Assuming X7 isn't the CNPP) Consider that a model of the Duga-3 antenna array can be found inside X8. (Note, Duga-3 is the Brain scorcher)
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I think the documents are quite clear that the discovery and subsequent experiments concerning the alteration of the noosphere followed from experiments into psy-effects over long distances (the blue file). The Duga-3 antenna is actually located at Limansk in Stalker, although a lot of people misinterpret the completely fictional rainbow emitter in Red Forest as Duga-3, probably because the real antenna is located in a forest. Forrester's dialogue heavily hints at Limansk being the site of psy-experiments, and interestingly enough notes it was never evacuated. I suspect the implication is that X-labs were built to continue the research started at Limansk.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:47 pm

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I don't disagree that Limansk may have been the site of the earliest research, but what I'm saying is that there is evidence that at the very least X8 coexisted with Limansk.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:49 pm

One being in Siberia :P

We can compare images too if you'd like:
Real one: http://pix.fine.kiev.ua/egor/pic/0001zpdk
Limansk: http://www.skynet.ie/~gornard/stalkan/array3.jpg
Red Forest: http://blog.fabric.ch/fabric/images/1547_1274216410_6.jpg

Pick the odd one out :P
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The intro to CoP establishes that the X-labs were established after the incident at Chernobyl. Limansk obviously was not :)
I really don't think Limansk is a giant red herring. If we assume that, it's heavily implied these experiments are not independant of each other but that one led to the other.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:12 pm

One being in Siberia :P

We can compare images too if you'd like:
Real one: http://pix.fine.kiev.ua/egor/pic/0001zpdk
Limansk: http://www.skynet.ie/~gornard/stalkan/array3.jpg
Red Forest: http://blog.fabric.ch/fabric/images/1547_1274216410_6.jpg

Pick the odd one out :P

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The intro to CoP establishes that the X-labs were established after the incident at Chernobyl. Limansk obviously was not :P



No, What I mean is that Duga-3 (western) consisted of both a transmitter and a receiver, both of which are in the region near Chernobyl.

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However, Limansk was also not evacuated after the Chernobyl disaster. Limansk could have remained a functioning site when the X-labs were built, and doesn't X8 have a clearly labeled scale model of Duga-3?

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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:47 am

Well, if you can produce an image that shows that the reciever actually looks like the Rainbow Emitter, I'll concede the point :shrug:
But I don't find 'they're both a bunch of antenna' very convincing, especially considering neither the documents or the model identify it as Duga-3.

Edit: iirc, the model also called it a Rainbow Emitter, but I'll grant that my Russian is very poor :P

Another edit: and of course as far as we know there's not one absolute truth, at least not one that's been confirmed as such. The Stalker series tends to say very little outright :)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:28 am

Well, if you can produce an image that shows that the reciever actually looks like the Rainbow Emitter, I'll concede the point :shrug:
But I don't find 'they're both a bunch of antenna' very convincing, especially considering neither the documents or the model identify it as Duga-3.

Edit: iirc, the model also called it a Rainbow Emitter, but I'll grant that my Russian is very poor :P

Oh wait, I think you're right about the model, and I'm sorry, but I haven't seen a picture of the other installation. I think I might have to concede the point about Limansk, I admittedly haven't played Clear Sky.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:21 pm

Eh, whatever works for you is fine.
It's just a lot of fun discussing the Stalker timelines and background. I suspect the 'lore' of the series so far is based more on a 'book of ideas' than a 'Stalker bible'. I'll be very curious to see what information and clues Stalker 2 will add :D
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:32 pm

It's a lot of fun discussing Stalker timelines and background. I suspect the 'lore' of the series so far is based more on a 'book of ideas' than a 'Stalker bible'. I'll be very curious to see what information and clues Stalker 2 will add :D

The Timeline is bit hard to piece together when so few of the written pieces of lore have time stamps.

Also, what do you think the current state of the Zone/C-Consciousness really is after Strelok shot them?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:35 pm

When I mention timelines I'm mostly referring to the SoC-era debates about
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how many trips to the center of the Zone Strelok made, in what order they were and what happened during each one.


I'm not sure.
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I like the idea that C-Con vastly overestimated their influence on the Zone and underestimated how much the Zone influenced them, but the only thing we have to go on is Strelok saying the creators were not in control anymore. Is someone else in control? Is the Zone running wild? Maybe the Zone really does have a mind of it's own?
Strelok seems to think it is in fact possible to control the Zone, and even destroy it should one wish. Who am I to argue against him, I suppose :shrug:

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:43 pm

When I mention timelines I'm mostly referring to the SoC-era debates about
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how many trips to the center of the Zone Strelok made, in what order they were and what happened during each one.


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I kinda got the impression he made 3, the one where he got the photo and the artifact, the one where they found door and made the decoder, and the one featured in Clear Sky.


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I think the Zone is probably the equivalent of Data corruption in the noosphere, and that C-conscious may have at most created psy-information viruses that are perpetuating and influencing the Psychic data corruption that C-consciousness originally created.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:11 pm

You're correct, but it was a subject of discussion for a while. You can probably still find the threads on the GSC forums if you're so inclined :P
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:18 am

You're correct, but it was a subject of discussion for a while. You can probably still find the threads on the GSC forums if you're so inclined :P

Those must have been fun.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:38 am

this thread has more spoilers in it that any other thread i have ever seen. :)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:33 pm

And if you're not familiar with the series, you probably have no idea what half of them mean. :P
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