Unable to load save game : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:33 pm

Was using a combination of survival mods FF_Real Thirst, Real Hunger and Real Sleep Extended, then after a while decided to swop them out for Simple Essentials. Now I'm going back when I have FF_Real Thirst enabled and try loading my save it just crashes, can anyone tell me what's wrong?

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» Sat May 28, 2011 11:29 am

*BUMP*

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:45 pm

*SECOND BUMP* anybody???

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:40 pm

You probably corrupted the file. When you had the mods activated and then saved the game it added the information from the mods to the save. Then when you got rid of the mods it was unable to load.

Are you using Oblivion Mod Manager? If not, do it.

To solve your issue, try reinstalling the mods you had at the time of the save and then load the save.

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:43 am

You probably corrupted the file. When you had the mods activated and then saved the game it added the information from the mods to the save. Then when you got rid of the mods it was unable to load.

Are you using Oblivion Mod Manager? If not, do it.

To solve your issue, try reinstalling the mods you had at the time of the save and then load the save.

I'm only using OBMM to install the COBL version if it as for the mod itself I use BAIN, and there's no chance of remembering what mods I was using when I uninstalled it, it was months ago I stopped using it :unsure:

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:45 pm

*THIRD BUMP*

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:42 pm

Might be a long shot, but have you tried "Remove Bloat" in Bash? Sometimes this helps remove left-behind data along with porting to testinghall and waiting for respawn time, then doing pcb. (I understand you can't do the latter, though.)

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:03 pm

Might be a long shot, but have you tried "Remove Bloat" in Bash? Sometimes this helps remove left-behind data along with porting to testinghall and waiting for respawn time, then doing pcb. (I understand you can't do the latter, though.)

Removing Bloat??? where do I find that option?

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:09 pm

In Bash click on the Saves tab at the top. This will bring up your saves list, right click on your most recent save and select Remove Bloat. Bash will then scan through your savegame and check for duplicate or orphaned objects and delete them as necessary.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:08 pm

Nope no joy with the removing bloat thing, still crashed trying to load

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:15 am

Can you try right-clicking on the save in Bash, and selecting "Diff Masters" then posting that here? Might narrow down the possible culprits.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:30 pm

Hmm don't think your gonna get quite what you expected there was only three esp's there they were, Oblivion XP - OOO (which I added just now), FF_Real_Thirst and FF_Real_Thirst - Cobl :confused:

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:45 pm

Well, can you re-enable those mods, as suggested above, and then load the save, resave in a new slot, and see if you can then load the new save without them enabled? (I would try this by removing them one at a time.) I know OOO can be removed, but you'll want to do an "Update NPC Levels" (right-click save in Bash), then go to testinghall or similar (player.coc testinghall), wait for the duration of your respawn timer (default 3 days) then enter "pcb" into console. This will basically purge the OOO data. To leave testinghall type "player.coc Weye", exit the house you land in and continue as normal.

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:50 am

With Real Thirst enabled my save won't load at all so doing that and saving in a new spot is practically impossible, and just a bit confused on the other part...was you referring to the actual OOO mod itself or the Oblivion XP (OOO version) I don't know any better but I don't see what OOO would have to do with it :confused:

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:28 am

I'm sorry, I misread your post and thought you said OOO. Just disregard all of that up there.

Usually a crash on startup is caused by a missing master, such as missing OOO esm and trying to run OOO esp. I've also had it happen when my save depended on a race mod (hair, eyes, etc) that I no longer had enabled.

I don't know what to say at this point. The only savegame issues I've ever personally encountered were resolved by either removing bloat, setting load order up to match the savegame dependencies, and waiting out respawn timers. Hopefully someone will be able to be of more help.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:26 am

Hmm don't think your gonna get quite what you expected there was only three esp's there they were, Oblivion XP - OOO (which I added just now), FF_Real_Thirst and FF_Real_Thirst - Cobl :confused:

I have heard the Oblivion XP sometimes has an issue with corrupting saved files.