Daedra Prince aligned with undead? Ice Daedra?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:34 pm

Aren't vampires, which are considered undead, related to one of the Daedra's [censored] of a mortal?


Vampires aren't actually undead (though they get along with them in Oblivion).
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Stephanie Valentine
 
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:10 am

We could go by elimination.

Definitely not Meridia.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:39 pm

We could go by elimination.

Definitely not Meridia.


Ok then,

Lets make a list to see what they would think of the Undead Like.

The Daedric Princes

Azura
Boethia
Clavicus Vile
Hermaeus Mora
Hircine
Malacath
Mehrunes Dagon
Mephala
Meridia
Molag Bal
Namira
Nocturnal
Peryite
Sanguine
Sheogorath
Vaernima

Meridia is probably anti-undead.
Namira is against anything unnatural. This would be both Vampires and Undead. She doesn't have problems with animals or Spriggans though (Being beings of nature).

Though I don't think we have any Daedric Princes directly aligned with undead I bet Vaernima doesn't hate them though she does have problems with a few.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:57 pm

Actually I was joking around, Dager, because I don't think there's any real way to be sure whether or not the remaining Daedric Princes use undead, or would even be accepting, indifferent, or what have you, towards undead.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:22 pm

It would depend on the kind of effect you are wanting to achieve. They could physically corrupt the living with diseases and pests, be mindless killing machines that murder anything in their path or be madness incarnated due to the despair of being consciousness trapped in rotting bodies. Any of these could be linked to a specific Daedra Lord.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:07 pm

It would depend on the kind of effect you are wanting to achieve. They could physically corrupt the living with diseases and pests, be mindless killing machines that murder anything in their path or be madness incarnated due to the despair of being consciousness trapped in rotting bodies. Any of these could be linked to a specific Daedra Lord.


What I was really looking for was an instance or proclivity of any Daedric Prince to employ the undead. Someone that actually 'likes' them. Most seem to be indifferent.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:54 pm

What I was really looking for was an instance or proclivity of any Daedric Prince to employ the undead. Someone that actually 'likes' them. Most seem to be indifferent.

You then need to look at what each prince likes in general.

Molag Bal, for example, probably likes to employ the use of undead, as long as you forcefully will it to your power (AKA enslavement). Sheogorath doesn't seem to have much issues, as evident with the shambles seen in SI. Maybe Vaernima, as long as it conjures a nightmarish image and the like. Though she hasn't been fleshed out well enough for me to pass judgment.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:28 pm

You then need to look at what each prince likes in general.

Molag Bal, for example, probably likes to employ the use of undead, as long as you forcefully will it to your power (AKA enslavement). Sheogorath doesn't seem to have much issues, as evident with the shambles seen in SI. Maybe Vaernima, as long as it conjures a nightmarish image and the like. Though she hasn't been fleshed out well enough for me to pass judgment.

Shambles don't seem to have any direct link to Sheogorath. They are just incidental and furthermore they appear to be 'bone golems' and not true undead. If they are undead I'd hate to see one when it was alive. ;)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:47 pm

Molag Bal, for example, probably likes to employ the use of undead, as long as you forcefully will it to your power (AKA enslavement). Sheogorath doesn't seem to have much issues, as evident with the shambles seen in SI. Maybe Vaernima, as long as it conjures a nightmarish image and the like. Though she hasn't been fleshed out well enough for me to pass judgment.

Really? Well, I mean, the enslavement of souls is his style. Corruption of flesh, sure - but I get the feeling he'd prefer the soul to still be part of the body, so as to endure the trauma. If the soul is already bobbing in the Dreamsleave, it doesn't really care what happens to the corpse.

That narrows "undead" he likes down to... mmm, liches and ghosts. Some nice creepy "undead" in Battlespire, but I don't think they were really associated with a Prince.

Lesser Daedra are superior to undead in all forms. Lesser Daedra are alive, have their brains in the best condition possible, and are in peak physical condition. Undead are sort of... well, they are sort of dead, you know? Not too smart, but they'll obey their creator. So, in other words, why would a Prince bother with rotting creatia?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:21 pm

Shambles don't seem to have any direct link to Sheogorath. They are just incidental and furthermore they appear to be 'bone golems' and not true undead. If they are undead I'd hate to see one when it was alive. ;)

Shambles are undead. They were bones reanimated, much like a skeleton. The only difference is the types of bones used. Time for you to brush up on your necromancy 101: http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/corpse_preparation.shtml. All necromancy really is, is taking a dead body or bones, and reanimating it with magicka. No soul required, unless you want to summon a ghost but that's more in the school of conjuration as you actually have to rip a soul out of the dreamsleave instead of reanimating dead things.

Really? Well, I mean, the enslavement of souls is his style. Corruption of flesh, sure - but I get the feeling he'd prefer the soul to still be part of the body, so as to endure the trauma. If the soul is already bobbing in the Dreamsleave, it doesn't really care what happens to the corpse.

That narrows "undead" he likes down to... mmm, liches and ghosts. Some nice creepy "undead" in Battlespire, but I don't think they were really associated with a Prince.

Lesser Daedra are superior to undead in all forms. Lesser Daedra are alive, have their brains in the best condition possible, and are in peak physical condition. Undead are sort of... well, they are sort of dead, you know? Not too smart, but they'll obey their creator. So, in other words, why would a Prince bother with rotting creatia?

:shrug: I dunno, was just trying to offer some idea to Hel Borne. I have a hard time trying to see which daedric prince likes undead, for I'd see the range would end up being more of a "yeah, they're alright" at best to Meridia and Namaria's hell bent drive to removing all undead from existence
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:49 pm

Shambles are undead.


Shambles appear to be composed of multiple individuals. I assume flesh golems are undead as well?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:41 pm

Shambles appear to be composed of multiple individuals. I assume flesh golems are undead as well?


A Bonelord were also composed of multiple individuals.

Flesh Atronach's seem to be animated by a Daedric spirit rather then the remains of what is left previous owners soul.

Wouldn't know what drives any of the golems, they're a bit to old I think.

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Didn't Hassildor mention something about 'his kind' making poor servants for Dagon? Not sure how generic that is, might just be vampires but even compared to living creatures undead are kinda meh, they don't do anything Daedra does but lack that which sets humans apart from Daedra, so they're kinda uninteresting.

I don't think you'll find any Daedra that actually favours the undead, unless they also happen to be monsters, living nightmares or otherwise intelligent enough to suffer amusingly.

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If anything though, knowledge on Necromancy seems to be an trade item for Daedra. N'Gasta was selling souls to Clavicus Vile and just about the only thing you can do with a human soul aside from enchanting is to barter it away.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:10 pm

If anything though, knowledge on Necromancy seems to be an trade item for Daedra. N'Gasta was selling souls to Clavicus Vile and just about the only thing you can do with a human soul aside from enchanting is to barter it away.

Where do mortals' souls come from? Are they from an Aedra? If so, the soul would be a potent form of creatia, would it not? And Daedric Princes like creatia, right? I mean, they try to siphon it off from the Mundus, and the towers are what's stopping Nirn from unraveling into Oblivion... right? :unsure:
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