A quandary on these respective Aedra and Daedric Prince, particularly regarding their spheres.

Julianos is "the Cyrodilic god of literature, law, history, and contradiction.", and is also known as the God of Wisdom and father of language and mathematics (from TIL). Julianos is also associated with The Elder Scrolls themselves.

Herma-Mora also seems to be master of the domain of wisdom and history ("Past, present, and future are as one to me," he says in Oblivion). In terms of his knowledge, Ted Peterson's interview in TIL says "Hermaeus Mora may mean "A Grove In The Wilderness" or "Hidden Grove," with the suggestion that he represents secret truths not easily found".

So my question is; what's the difference? Who has the greater mastery of history and knowledge? Am I right in thinking that Hermaeus Mora has more to do with 'secret' or 'forbidden' knowledge and the scryings of fate (although The Elder Scrolls also have elements of this, of course), whereas Julianos is more the sphere of 'scholarly' wisdom and studies?

Hmm...the Nords kicked Jhunal straight outta their patheon for a reason, no?

I also don't know much about it.... But I think I'll agree with you....

Perhaps the Nords saw two gods of similar spheres superfluous.

I vaguely remember an expression of Nordic disdain against Jhunal. I may be screwing up information. I'll probably do a search.

i agree with the OP it does seem that way, two sides of knowledge, the secret and the known

I think you have it right, Lorca1. Julianos is definitely more about logic and scholarly pursuits (evident by his worshippers) and Hermaeus Mora is more about secrets and forbidden knowledge.

After Mehrunes Dagon came summoned out of a pie, many Nords rethought Jhunal's relevancy.

Julianos strikes me as more of a lore keeper of all the fundaments of society, wisdom, spiritual growth, knowledge, the sciences, alchemy and magic..all the good stuff.

Herma Mora seems like the kind of guy who would sneak a copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook into the local library. Not that I would know anything about the kind of subversion of course. Just saying, he strikes me as being a guardian of more subversive and obscure knowledge. The kind of knowledge that's always dangerous, but dangerous in a different way depending upon whom he allows to view it. I doubt any of them are ever the same again whether they use the knowledge for hedonism or for the greater good... if you happen to believe those two things to be mutually exclusive of course.

What about the lovable lump known as Jyggalag? So, supposing that Julianos governs what is known, and Hermaeus Mora governs the unknown, what's left for Jyggy?

He just knows how everyone will react, because the daedra and aedra are quite static. Mortals, on the other hand, are not so set in stone.

The knowledge which subverts, versus the knowledge which is subverted?

Nothing. Exactness (Order) can't exist in the Mundus.

Julianos and Herma Mora are like the literature professors and Jyg is that boring old mathematics professor that nobody likes, obsessed with geometrical patterns, numbers and order. He knows a lot, true, but he is dull, dull, DULL. No personality at all. There is not a single spec of dust in his house. Not a book on his shelf is out of order - but none of his books contains fairy tales, fiction or anything that sets the human imagination aflame. It's all just statistics..endless numbers, all running together in the minds of mortals. Calculations, predictions, every possible outcome of every action but no real emotional investment. He's basically a terminator. He's the extreme opposite of a guy like Sheogorath who is supremely interested in imagination and not at all interested in facts. It's fitting that as a punishment he be trapped inside of that one.





My personal interpretation of this dichotomy is that as in real life, the history of human/merish culture has always been at its core a primal, ugly, dirty thing. Civilization, society, art and literature are the equivalent of having a very smelly, very unpleasant defication and attempting to cover the stench with a bit of perfume. The festering truth always lurks just beneath the surface of this ruse we create. Mora is the keeper of the Stench. That's my personal interpretation of course.