Please consider changing the attributes to redguards to something less, well racist.

+10 strength, but -10 intelligence? Whose brilliant idea was that? Less willpower and personality, but more endurance? Why are the black people in the game relegated to being beasts of burden?


It would be different if the affinity for combat over magic were solely cultural, but to imply that redguards are genetically stupid is just a bad idea, considering that only they represent African culture.
And don't say that redguards aren't meant to portray Africans in Tamriel. Besides skin color, their religion is far too similar to the loa of African tradition. Big Papa? Come on.

Please, Bethesda, try making the redguards differently. I'm sure you could manage to do it without overturning cannon. Just give them a minus to personality and a plus to endurance or something. Don't play into stereotypes.

I'm not trying to bring politics into TES. To the contrary, I'm trying to bring politics out of TES.





See this if you don't know what I'm talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans

you are the racist for seeing racism where none was probably intended.

I think that the in-game attributes is more to define what type of character the average redguard would be. Intelligence and willpower is, as far as I know, how connected and protected they are from magic. The personality, stregth and endurance is probably due to the fact that they are naturally great warriors, and therefor somewhat intimidating. I could be wrong, of course.
Edit: The orcs are a good example. There is as far as I know no orc mages in OB(unless you create one yourself, and the vampire crusaders, but they are more warriors than mages) and only a few in MW, but they have a natural resistance to magic and therefor a high willpower.

This is why Redguards are my most hated race in the Elder Scrolls, their existence means there will always be the chance of threads like these popping up.

*Shrugs shoulders*

If you want to whine and claim there is some sort of racist attitude going on, lord knows African Americans do enough of it, then you're entitled to.

I'm also not sure what 'African tradition' is? It implies there is some sort of 'one' African tradition/culture. That's like saying an Irishman would have the same traditions as a Fin, purely because they're both European.



Is it a stupid idea? Without it Redguards would be unstoppable supermen/women.

There is no basis that Redguard genetics are based on Africans, although I'm not sure what an 'African' is because there are White South Africans, Nigerians, Zimbabweans and Namibians. The only things taken from those with Black genetics are their facial features, even the skin colour is arguable, I've never seen a Black man/woman with red skin...

I notice it's the positive traits that are ignored. I imagine you would be perfectly happy for them to keep their +10 strength? Is this also not a stereotype of Africans? Especially when every world strongest man competition is dominated by Europeans? It's strange then that you don't see Europeans claiming Imperials or Bretons aren't strong enough.

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Everything you just said is ridiculous, OP. Please stop.


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Agreed

This is stupid. It's a matter of gameplay! The races are supposed to be good at different things, you could argue that making the different races have unique stats in the first place is racist, but what fun would it be if they all played the same? This is a completely unnecessary tread that no doubt will lead to unnecessary arguing.

wat

Haha, a quick look at the Oblivion race stats informed me that Scandinavians are also considering dumb but strong, Romans are incredible diplomatic and French people are frail.
RACISM!!!!


Even more "wat" than OP

True. And you don't see us norwegians complain that the nords(seemingly based on the old northeren culture from 800-1200) have too low personallity. There were more traders and farmers than warriors in those cultures, and we had trade connections all over europe. We don't complain about that, so why everyone complain about the redguard is beyond me.

HAHAHA

Yes, and bethesda should be ashamed for implying that my cat is a dirty drug addicted thief.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hehe. The arena proved that any khajiit can be just as skilled warriors as a nord, so no luck there
Edit: grammar

Oblivion gave me the idea to test if my pet lizard could breathe water and eat arsenic.

If they were intelligent but weak, wouldn't that be racist too? Are you saying that all races should be equal on all areas? Because if not, there will be racism towards everybody no matter how you do it with your logic.

hey kids lets go look for racism :thumbsup:

This has quickly gotten out of hand.

In the end, it's just a game.