No, I don't like to argue but I'm not going to let people run around saying something as fact and placing that idea in their heads when there is no proof behind it.

Seriously from the trailor we know dragons are back, that the dragon born is as well.
That from infomation and the video that some are hostile and very destructive.
We know that an elder scroll or at least a prophecy is coming to light.
That the big dragon is called Alduin.
That the Nords are at war with on another.

I may be wrong so correct me if I am, but Alduin may not be the Alduin.
Just because it walks like a dragon, talks like one, flames like one and calls itself Alduin does not mean it is Alduin.
It could be a pretender or seeking to become one with Alduin.
Much like the Nerevarine was not the Nerevarine until it forfilled certain criteria.

We also don't know if it is the big enemy as of yet, the McGuffin could be that the civil war is the main quest.

Except that may potentially hinge on the relationship of Alduin/Akatosh, no?


It's overstepping to try to compare the place Alduin occpuies in the nordic faith to the individual dragons and thu'umers. They don't have a declared position in the Nordic pantheon, and they are therefore hyperbolic. Even if we don't accept right away that Alduin is a God of Time, let's merely take a look.

I think it's pretty obvious that quite a bit of TES is about the repetition of themes, particularly noticeable when it comes to that which the different races revere and worship, or at least admit as a force to be reckoned with. And every race would appear to have a place allotted for Time. Now, for our Nordic pantheon (not necessarily limited to Aedra), from http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire, we have: Alduin, Dibella, Orkey, Tsun, Mara, Stuhn, Kyne, Jhunal, Shor, Ysmir, Herma-Mora, Maloch

I think we can agree to rule out Herma-Mora as being the rep for Time, as we can for Shor and Ysmir.
For the rest, namely Dibella, Orkey, Mara, Stuhn, Tsun, Kyne, Jhunal, and Maloch, wouldn't you at least agree that these names sound varyingly similar to Dibella, Arkay, Mara, Kynareth, and Malacath, with Stuhn and Tsun being arguably construed as Stendarr and Triminac?

And even if you won't agree to that, out of that whole list of Nordic gods listed, Alduin is the only one we have any information for whatsoever to indicate any dominion whatsoever over Time.
At this point, it's again merely occam's razor to indicate that Alduin, whose name is similar to Akatosh/Auriel/Alkosh/Akal, who is a Dragon like Akatosh/Alkosh, and who has an indicated dominion over time, would be the Time God for that pantheon.
Trying to construe it otherwise, to me, is actually working much harder. If I were to reverse the situation and ask you to procure a Nordic deity who would be more fit to occupy the God of Time slot, you would have nothing, and could only repeat, "well, we just don't know." There's very little that any of us "know," whether that be in lore or RL. It's the inferences that matter.

I like how people here are saying that there's only one book that refers to Alduin as Akatosh as if that somehow negates it. It also says that Kynareth = Kyne but I don't see anyone whining about that.

The nature of the gods is not simple. Akatosh is Alduin and yet is not. He does not merely rule tim; he is time. And all things have their appointed time, including the world's end. The Dovahkiin is almost certainly a champion and/or avatar of Lorkhan, meant to preserve the Missing God's gift of the Mundus to mortals. Frankly, I'm glad we're returning to the murky side of TES theology and lore. The best part about being the Nerevarine was that you're never really sure whether or not you were really Nerevar reborn, or even if that mattered. The fact that we have something to debate here is very good.

Time to knock off this kind of argument/arguing. Most tiresome. You fancy yourself an expert as much as anyone else - or, rather, that is exactly how you are coming across. I don't think your intent is to shut others down, but that's kind of what it reads as.

I'd like the topic to continue on a civil discourse, not devolve into petty sniping about who knows what about lore.

On topic, the dragons who fought for the Empire didn't do it because they were good guys, they were being wiped out by Cliffracers and Tsaesci, and ended up seeking refuge in Cyrodiil, where basically they aided the Imperial armies in exchange for survival.

they are all mad becuase alduin has to kill himself to free himself from something

I am closing this for a while after talking to Leydenne.

After further moderator discussion it can stay closed. If the OP wants to start another that is OK - as long as it stays on topic.