Lore Implications of the New TES Novel(s)

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:15 am

Ignoring the issue of the prince, a floating city that kills and resurrects people seems a little... different from most of the lore in the Elder Scrolls. I'll admit, crazier things have happened on Nirn but this just seems off in terms of the things that happen in the Elder Scrolls. Sure, Mannimarco returns and raises the dead with the help of Sload necromancers to wreak his revenge, but a flying city? It just doesn't quite fit in with what I've come to expect from TES.


floating city?

Well, there's a precendence for floating buildings, anyway. Been to Vivec lately?

As far as it floating around and creating an army of the undead, I see that no less radical than the O crisis itself. My main thing is about the new emperor. I'd kinda' like to know how that one came to be.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Maybe the emperor was just another of the doppelgangers and that he actually survived the crisis while Martin died.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:16 pm

I'm betting it'll be handled like a temporary regent trying to keep control.

Or at least, I'm hoping for something like that as it is very juicy plot to do something like that.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:23 am

I don't know what to think about this new novel, in all honesty. One can only hope that Bethesda handed over as many lore documents as they could to this guy.

flying cities aren't exactly foreign to TES. Proof-of-concept can be found in The Battlespire and Vivec's little asteroid of love hanging above the city of his namesake (although obviously, without Lorkhan's heart I guess it remains an unrepeatable act).

When I first heard about the term "Emperor's Son" being applied to Attrebus I was confused, since they're supposed to all be gone. Being a bastard child of Septimis a viable option but I think it's a bit weak since since it reduces the impact of the end of Oblivion. I pondered if they were talking about the Emperor we knew, maybe there's another proxy/fake "Emperor" who has taken the imperial throne of the probably-crumbling Empire since the end of TES:IV, and this is his son instead, who maybe by some coincidence happens to be the actual dragonborn or something.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:09 pm

For all we know, Attrebus might be the rebellious son of the emperor of the flying city, heh.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:20 pm

For all we know, Attrebus might be the rebellious son of the emperor of the flying city, heh.


With spiky hair and a door sword. Just kidding. :)

I'm going to try for objectivity when Keyes' book comes out. I still think Attrebus isn't a Septim, and may not even be from Cyrodiil. No reason he can't be Redguard or Akaviri, however wild that speculation is. His name doesn't sound mer to me, though. Just my opinion.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:50 pm

My friends,

Although we can speculate to our hearts' content, we simply have not sufficient information in front of us to supply anything more than mental meanderings.


___TWM
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:55 am

My friends,

Although we can speculate to our hearts' content, we simply have not sufficient information in front of us to supply anything more than mental meanderings.


___TWM

An unfortunate truth. while we can go on and on as to why we believe that it is not lorish or elder-scrollsy enough, until we read the book we have no idea how well (or unwell) the books will fit the lore.

My biggest worry, though, is that it will simply be even a good fantasy read with tacked-on TES names and places mentioned without and depth.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:20 pm

My biggest worry, though, is that it will simply be even a good fantasy read with tacked-on TES names and places mentioned without and depth.


watching "Star Trek, the Namedropping Movie" felt just like that. But why should that stop us from speculation. Well, Keyes can still change things if our ideas are better than his. Again: I'd read threats like this if i were him.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:28 pm

I still think Attrebus isn't a Septim, and may not even be from Cyrodiil. No reason he can't be Redguard or Akaviri, however wild that speculation is. His name doesn't sound mer to me, though. Just my opinion.


I agree with you that Attrebus is not a Septim.

Actually I've come across that name before in Elder Scrolls lore. There was a warlord Attrebus who aspired to the Imperial throne long before Tiber Septim came to power. But his descendants were driven from the throne.

Perhaps this pre-Septim imperial family has risen again.

Check out the Pocket Guide to the Empire, under "Rimmen" for the rule of the 2nd era warlord Attrebus:--
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge/elsweyr.shtml

Earlier, Akaviri refugees had fled persecution when the warlord Attrebus briefly aspired to the Imperial Throne. Attrebus, though he lasted no longer than most of the pretender kings of that period, thought he might rid Cyrodiil of the foreigners who had ruled it for the first half of the Common Era, and he drove the Akaviris past the Empire's borders into Elsweyr.

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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:42 am

I hate to sound trollish or overly pessimistic, but the main lore implication that we can gather just from that little blurb is that it will svck.

And, no, that's not just me having the stereotypical "really devoted fan-Sequel Gastrointestinal Spasm Reflex" (FSGSR) that some Fallout fans, for instance, demonstrate -- it's more that nothing in that blurb seems particularly TES-y or, I daresay, even unique. Apparently this guy is good, but I can't help but feel that maybe he should have been inoculated to the lore (or, better, the lore community) for awhile first, as research.

Of course, there's always the possibility that the blurb was a marketing brainfart, and that it will actually add something to the universe's lore -- perhaps even deconstructing the very cliches that it seems to espouse! I'm particularly interested in what appears to be the rejuvenation of the Septim line and the Empire, which could potentially retcon a really silly plothole in Oblivion (the heirs had no sons, not even bastards? Really?). And that the Empire survived in name doesn't mean that it actually survived -- I'd love for something of a Holy Roman Empire situation. Although, again, I can't help but get the feeling that I'd prefer this sort of thing being revealed in a game.

That's just being optimistic, though, and as TWM so aptly put it, there's not enough information to tell either way.

EDIT: Seriously? Fanb0y is censored? Tools. :P
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:53 am

My friends,

Although we can speculate to our hearts' content, we simply have not sufficient information in front of us to supply anything more than mental meanderings.


___TWM


Seriously folks? This was a great post to kill the thread on. Now the corpse just looks mildly zombified. We've pretty much talked the thread to death and this was a beautiful way to kill it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:05 pm

I agree that it's probably Mannimarco, but the prince is probably not related to the Septims -- it would be lame if he were, since "Oblivion" made it plain that the Septim line is played out. My guess is that Keyes' character is the son or grandson of someone strong enough to take Cyrodiil and reconquer the provinces. It wouldn't surprise me if TES V takes place before the novel, and if the game is set during a time of upheaval.


I also think that in TES V their will become a new Emperor... But I remember there is said that it should take place shortly after Oblivion.... So my guess is that TES V may be around 1 or 2 years after the sacrifice of Martin and the book 3 or 4....
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:10 pm

Seriously folks? This was a great post to kill the thread on. Now the corpse just looks mildly zombified. We've pretty much talked the thread to death and this was a beautiful way to kill it.


The Infernal City did it. :lmao:

-Hexon
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:38 pm

Or you're all missing the obvious.


The Reman dynasty is back?
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Rozlyn Robinson
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:09 pm

Doubt you're gonna get an answer. You necromanced this thread pretty good.
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Darren
 
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:40 am

I just hope this novel doesn't destroy the lore.
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