If I remember correctly the towers contributed to the laws of physics, and gravity, etc... I'm guessing keeping Daedra at bay was just a bonus when you look at it that way. This may not be correct though, my memory is kinda vague...

The "laws" was given to us by the Aedra who gave up themselves or pieces of themselves to create a bit of order in the chaos.

I personally find the Tower hierarchy thing people are doing a bit much. Seems too much like people are using opinions instead of lore.

If there's ANY hierarchy, Direnni (Adamantia) is obviously at the top; it's Stone is the Convention itself. Second would be Red Tower, for the Heart of the World is its Stone. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#5.

Also, keep in mind the Mythic Dawn had to set up random gates to punch holes through the liminal barrier before Dagon could arrive.

Hmm... Nobody refers to pact made by Tribunal (Sotha-Sil was only one present) and Daedra. Is that just fictional story then? I think there was First Seed where there was mentioning of it, granted it's has been said that it's rather dramaticed story, but are there other more reliable sources?

That pact was made to prevent just any joe from summoning them. I don't think it pertains to ther barrier.

Uh... Reason why i every time feel humbled when i wander here. There's always someone (lots of them) who knows better. And i thought i had even partial knowledge of lore. Mostly seems to be just deformed and degenerated bits of it

So yes i think that was the exactly how it went. Only sorceresses and witches could summon Daedra instead of just anyone.

I thought it was more of a "please don't invade us. Here's some delicious pie." Unfortunately, Mehrunes Dagon didn't get any slices and is pissed about that (he's not very punctual)

Assuming that the Adamantine Tower was the entry of Akatosh, wouldn't that render it obsolete in light of his new pact (the creation of the Amulet)? What would be his reason for creating the Amulet/pact if the tower was sufficient?

And why bother even making a pact if all he had to do was make a tower?

I think the pact aspect of the Dragonfires makes it much more potent (or even a replacement) option.

I'm sorry, but this post is fallacious and has sent the thread into quite the downward spiral due to the erroneous speculation that it fostered.


The other Towers were not and are not obsolete, destroyed, or in any other way not functioning. If all the Towers had fallen we'd have a heck of a lot bigger mess on our hands than Mehrunes Dagon invading. Its also important to note that the Lunar Lattice plays a substantial role in sustaining the barrier between Mundus & Oblivion, though it could be argue that the Lattice has been conjoined with the Khajiit tower.

The Red Mountain may be of greater antiquity than White-Gold, but due to White-Gold's symbolic structure (that of the Wheel) it actually holds the greater sway. And again, the other Towers were still active after the fall of Red Mountain and White-Gold; however, two of the most significant stabilizers to the barrier had been removed and that's what allowed the widespread opening of gates, not a complete collapse of Nirn's structure as would occur if all barriers were broken.

Even if a wheel still loses a spoke, it can still work, just not as well. Remove the hub holding all the spokes, and it it breaks in a big mess.

Didn't the Daedra used to wander around with Men during the Merethic era?

It has been of note Sanguine has partied in the Imperial Palace during the first age