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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:00 am

But when Tiber Septom acheived CHIM it made him an Aedra didnt it? So why could'nt someone become a deadra the same way? :huh:
EDIT:thanks for clarifing the souce for me

Tiber Septim is NOT an aedra. He may be part of the 9 divines, but he's definitely not an aedra.
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Theodore Walling
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:29 pm

Tiber Septim is NOT an aedra. He may be part of the 9 divines, but he's definitely not an aedra.

How can one be in the same league of the Aedra and not be one?Does CHIM give him the right to be held in the same degree?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:59 am

The important part of "Walk like them...",

is:

"...until they must walk like you."

And you can forget about Chim, it's not relevant. Mantling and Enantiomorphism are!
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:44 am

But when Tiber Septom acheived CHIM it made him an Aedra didnt it? So why could'nt someone become a deadra the same way? :huh:
EDIT:thanks for clarifing the souce for me


That wasn't CHIM that was apotheosis
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:38 pm

How can one be in the same league of the Aedra and not be one?Does CHIM give him the right to be held in the same degree?

Tiber Septim/Wulfhart/Zurin Arctus become gods after mantling Shezzar, the Cyrodillic version of Shor and filled in the 8 and missing 1 to make it the 8 and 1.

Now, here's a bit of a history lesson about the nine divines.
The position Shezarr enjoys in Cyrodilic worship if often misconstrued. He, and a thousand other deities, have sizeable cults in the Imperial City. Shezarr is especially venerated in the Colovian West, though he is called Shor there, as the West Kings are resolutely, and religiously, Nordic.

The haziness of Shezarr's relationship to the Divines (he is often called their 'Missing Sibling') begins with St. Alessia, the so-called 'Slave Queen of Cyrodiil, the founder figure of the original Cyrodilic Empire. In the earliest Cyro-Nordic stories of the Heartland, Shezarr fought against the Ayleids (the 'Heartland Highelves') on mankind's behalf. Then, for some unknown reason, he vanishes from the stage (presumably to help other humans elsewhere), and, without his leadership, the Ayleids conquer the humans and enslave them.

This slavery lasts for generations. The isolated humans eventually begin to venerate the pantheon of their masters, or at least assimilate so much of High Elven religious practices into their native traditions that the two become indistinguishable.

In 1E242, under the leadership of Alessia, her demigod lover, Morihaus-Breath-of-Kyne, and the infamous Pelinal Whitestrake, the Cyrodilic humans revolt. When Skyrim lends its armies to the Slave-Queen of the South, the revolution succeeds. The Ayleid Hegemonies are quickly overthrown. Shortly thereafter, White Gold Tower is captured by Alessia's forces, and she promptly declares herself the first Empress of Cyrodiil. Part of the package meant that she had to become the High Priestess of Akatosh, as well.

Akatosh was an Aldmeri god, and Alessia's subjects were as-yet unwilling to renounce their worship of the Elven pantheon. She found herself in a very sensitive political situation. She needed to keep the Nords as her allies, but they were (at that time) fiercely opposed to any adoration of Elven deities. On the other hand, she could not force her subjects to revert back to the Nordic pantheon, for fear of another revolution. Therefore, concessions were made and Empress Alessia instituted a new religion: the Eight Divines, an elegant, well-researched synthesis of both pantheons, Nordic and Aldmeri.

Shezarr, as a result, had to change. He could no longer be the bloodthirsty anti-Aldmer warlord of old. He could not disappear altogether either, or the Nords would have withdrawn their support of her rule. In the end, he had become "the spirit behind all human undertaking." Even though this was merely a thinly-disguised, watered-down version of Shor, it was good enough for the Nords.


After a while, Shezzar pretty much became discarded from the 9, and it was pretty much the 8 for a while. After the events of DF, Talos was created from the apotheosis of Tiber Septim and pretty much became the new Shezzar, until Shezzar comes back. As Proweler and Mortazo said, he didn't CHIM his way into godhood, he achieved apotheosis by mantling Shezzar in the way Proweler said "walk like them till they walk like you." Basically you act just like them till you are that great of a double that no one can tell the difference between either of you.

Now, here's another tidbit you should know about the aedra. They are Anu aligned et'Ada that gave themselves up to create Mundus, literally either cutting pieces of themselves off or dying completely. Those that died completely to make the laws of the world are known as the Earthbones. Those that lost pieces of themselves are still alive-ish, but they're pretty weakened and are known as aedra. Talos did not cut pieces of himself off nor participated in the creation of Mundus, so he is not an aedra. He's a god
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:19 pm

Anyway we are straying off topic, i impose a question, what if Vaermina played a role in the creation of the werewolf with Hircine just as she is speculated to have done with Molag Bal's vampires
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:23 pm

What role would she play?
I dont remember if the Lycanthropes had nightmares or not, need to refresh it with my newly started game. :)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:48 pm

I know that hircine created werewolves but when did he? Wer they always their? How long did it take? Since hircine is a deadra does that mean all were creatures would be considered technicaly deadra? Has he stopped creating them? If not does he only create them during the bloodmoons? If not how does he gather them to the location of the next bloodmoon? Has Hircine acheived CHIM? What are the different types of lycanthropes? Can/will he create new types of them?Why are there only werewolves and not the other types of lycantropes during the bloodmoon? Are werewolves the easiest to make? Which of the deadra is Hircine closist to? Why do most other Deadra shun him?


1. At the dawn of time.....?
2. Long enough
3. No
4. I doubt it
5. No
6. He whistles for them.
7. No
8. Werewolf, wereboar, werebear, werelion, werevulture, werecrocodile, and the dreaded wereshark
9. If he feels like it
10. Bethesda was lazy
11. They are the most common lycanthrope.
12. Herne
13. They do...?
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