I was looking at the UESP for any extensive information on this group, but there wasn't much. Just everything I already knew from in-game and TIL articles. Is there a lot known about them at all, or are they more of the secretive group that nobody knows anything about? Could you pretty much compare them to the Underground Railroad of 19th century North America and Canada?

The other day I randomly thought about this group. It's very interesting and I just thought I'd start a conversation and learn more about them.

There isn't much information on them. From what I've seen, they are not unlike the Underground Railroad. There are some members in Ald Velothi, apparently running a ship to smuggle them out of Vvardenfell. There's also the branch at the Argonian mission, and the Redguard that Hides-His-Foot asks to be taken to.

Darn, I wish there were more. I wonder if the Lamps is world-wide.

they seem like an insidious group of Imperial and Hlallu controlled activists seeking to weaken Telvanni and Dres Dunmer culture and economies through the guise of emancipation.





Disclaimer: Turns-The-Page is not a racist.

Nice, I like that idea!

But Dres? hold on slaves isnt already compromised since Helseth took over?

Declaring slavery is abolished and enforcing that declaration are two separate things. I think Helseth "abolished" slavery simply to appease the Imperials. He'll probably just turn the other shoulder as long as the Empire doesn't start breathing down his neck. He's not an idiot. There is a lot of income with the slaving industry.

EDIT: And I could be wrong about it being just a "declaration." I'm sure it went down a different way. A pact or something? Not sure, I need to do some reading.

I recall there being a conversation in Oblivion mentioning House Dres has "freed the beastfolk from servitude" or something along that nature.

Yes, its "King Helseth has made an alliance with house Dres, and freed thebeastfolk from servitude". Whether that's an actual release or just a statement of intent, we don't know, and it could just be the embellishments of rumor.

Yes, well, as with many (most) (all?) of the other Oblivion rumors, there's no substance behind this one either. A shame.

Ah, if only everything we hear about other provinces were not mere rumor! Something like a book like "A study on the political development of Morrowind following the Nerevarine Incident"

Depends on what you mean by 'substance'.

It's no more or less substantative than any other statement made in the game at any time. As far as the devs who wrote and authorised it are concerned, I'd imagine it is correct to the letter. No question of its substance from the standpoint of the games.

I mean that it's said there was pact made with Dres, but nothing else. Only a rumor, no other information. That's what I mean by no substance. They just threw random pieces of information out there and expected people to be happy.

Oh, okay.

Well what did ya expect from the rumors about other provinces? Look at Morrowind's 'recalling the Legions'. Stuff about other provinces' current affairs is always (entirely understandably) limited to a quick snippet.

No, just in locations with slavery active


OMG! I recognize your avatar!

What were you hoping for? I imagine it's too current to be included in the history books, but too distant to have more detailed hearsay.

Okay... didn't mean for this to turn into the "rumors svck in Oblivion" argument.

So, I know slavery is big in Morrowind. Since a lot of slaves (most, right?) are Argonians and Khajits, that means those provinces are involved as well. I've heard stories of parties going into these provinces and literally kidnapping people. What do the governments do to try and stop this? I guess that's just something else we don't know?

I wasn't trying to make it an Oblivion issue either, the rumor thing was in Morrowind too, to some degree. Believe it or not, I would have liked to see more information on it too, but there's only so much we can learn when we're in a different province from where the things are happening.

As for the governments, Helseth is the first real king that they've had, as the previous ones were considered formalities. If I had to guess, I would say that Helseth wrapped Dres around his finger (again, I'd like to know how he did this) and stopped the kidnappings at their source. Even if some branches in Dres disobeyed this, they'd likely be subject to the elements in Dres that are loyal to Helseth and his new edicts.

In The Argonian Account, It refers to parents selling their kids into slavery, and rival trbes of Argonians selling their captured enemies.


Married one.

I dont have a problem imagining some sort of guerrilla war being fought in Morrowind?s borders. Some periodic assaults on the slave camps in order to release them.

I'm immediately reminded of http://www.imperial-library.info/rgbooks/page.shtml?15. And that is a very, very good thing.

Even if slavery is abolished it doesn't meant the former slave are free and happy. Serfdom, indentured servitude, debt peonage are three conditions that without being your usual pvssyl slavery (where the slave is a property rather than a person) can come quite close. The former slave can also end up as an undrclass of dirt-poor day-workers or sharecropers.

Given that Argonians are apparently being "recalled" to Black Marsh, I don't think that it's much of a problem for them. Most of them are more than capable of making the journey. On the other hand, Khajiit are more problematic; they often turn to crime if they stick around.

HAHA!! That?s where I got the idea from...