When did Caula Voria die ? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:43 pm

Hello

The Pocket guide to the empire, 3rd Edition, states :

While the Emperor chose not to remarry following the Empress's death more than fifty years ago, she left to him three healthy boys, who have spent their advlt years learning the art of politics from their masterful liege and father.

This means that Caula Voria died before 3e383, which is a 6 years before the interregnum.

But we can read in The Black Horse Courier " EMPEROR AND HEIRS ASSASSINATED!" :

Emperor Uriel was finally rescued and restored and the impostor defeated by the agency of the sorceress Ria Silmane and her shadowy prot?g?, but the affairs of the empire were in great disorder, and Empress Caula Voria, exhausted by her ordeal, withdrew from public life.

which means she was still alive in 3e399.

Does anyone knows when she died ? Can we safely assume that there is a typo in the pocket guide, and that she died more than fitfteen years ago ?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:43 pm

O wouldn'tcall it a typo.... probably they just overlooked their own created lore

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:14 pm

Yeah I agree with Raider.
Such things often happen...

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:53 pm

In this case, I'd trust the authorized source on the empire. But the Brief Life of Uriel Septim also mentions the divorce and doesn't mention that she's dead. Not that she couldn't be dead, since it was a brief biography on Uriel and not Caula.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:39 pm

Thank you for your answers.

I need these informations for a mod I'm currently writing. It includes an investigation about the imperial family past, including Caula Voria, the three princes "none of them worth a fig", Calaxes, Gemile and Martin. So want it to be as accurate as possible.

If Caula Voria died fifteen years ago, it means she died not long before or after the Warp in the West. And there may be a links with Martin's mother

Was it that Gemile girl you had put out of the way, right after the Warp in the West?

All I found in "a short life of Uriel Septim" about the empress is this

The story of Uriel's marriage to the Princess Caula Voria is a less happy tale. Though she was a beautiful and charming woman, and greatly loved and admired by the people, the Empress was a deeply unpleasant, arrogant, ambitious, grasping woman. She snared Uriel Septim with her feminine wiles, but Uriel Septim thereafter soon regretted his mistake, and was repelled by her. They heartily detested one another, and went out of their ways to hurt one another. Their children were the victims of this unhappy marriage.

I don't understand it means a divorce, but english is not my native language. Can you explain it to me ?

Cogite

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:32 am

If she died 50 years prior to Oblivion, Uriel would have been in his early 30s and the children all under 6. I don't think that's how it happened.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:50 pm

If she died 50 years prior to Oblivion, Uriel would have been in his early 30s and the children all under 6. I don't think that's how it happened.

Why not? Because it would be sad?

Anyway, there's another text that mentions Caula Voria's death: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosades_visit.shtml. So it's probably safe to conclude she's dead alright, even if the Black Horse Currier text leaves it open.

I vaguely remember a passage from yet another text, I can't remember which, where Jagar Tharn said he'd make sure the Empress never got out of the asylum he had put her in after assuming the appearance of Uriel. If this were confirmed, we'd have her alive during the simulacrum in two sources, against her early demise according to the PGE 3.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:11 pm

All I found in "a short life of Uriel Septim" about the empress is this

I don't understand it means a divorce, but english is not my native language. Can you explain it to me ?

Cogite

I must've been rather tired at the time. You are right that it doesn't explicitly say that the two separated. However, given that the two detested each other, that their sons suffered for their relationship, etc. Then the passage implies an eventual divorce.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:21 am

the real Bareziah :

Eadwyre was not happy either and Nightingale delighted in publicly displaying his affection for Barenziah. They could not marry, of course, for Uriel Septim was already married. He had exiled the true Empress shortly after taking Septim's place, but had not dared to harm her. She was held by the Temple of the One. It had been given out publicly that she was in ill health, and rumors had been circulated that she had mental problems. The Emperor's children had also been dispatched to various prisons disguised as "schools".

Another source contradicting the PGE 3rd Edition.
It's very interesting to know that Caula Voria was held by the Temple of the One, as Calaxes was at this time the Archbishop of The One.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:40 pm

Thanks, cogite, that was the passage I was talking about.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:05 am

I would've liked to comes across her but the evil empress thingio has been done to death so there is that.
Contradicting sources, intriguing. Maybe that's all they'll ever remain.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:28 pm

Thank you all for your answers.

I think I can safely assume that :

- Caula Voria died between 3e398 and 3e433, maybe in 3e417
- There's a typo in the PGE 3rd Edition (maybe beeween fifty and fifteen)
- Caula Voria and Uriel Septim were officially married till 3e398. They may have divorced after the restauration.
- Caula Voria was exiled during the interregnum, and withdrew from public life after that.