It's come up several times that there is now an ingame function that some ammo does not do damage to certain armor and some ammo goes straight through armor.

My question is does this also apply to melee weapons?

I was just thinking it would be intreesting if some armors gave bonuses against melee attacks - like spiked raider armor for example. While other armors would be particularly vulnerable to melee attacks.

While some armor is designed to deflect/defeat bullets, I think a 25lb power sledge to the chest full swing will still mush its target nicely. Kinetic energy is a [censored].

Thats a good question, how would melee weapon damage factor into the damage threshold

That would require there to be "melee resistance" as an actual ingame stat, and I just don't see that happening. Now, armor piercing melee weapons I could see happening, but I don't see them differentiating between melee damage and bullet damage because it's far to complicated to balance for.

Well they have poisons you can apply to melee weapons for extra damage.

Maybe there are acidic weapon coatings that can penetrate heavier armor by lowering their damage thresholds a bit. The downside to having that kind of acid on your melee weapon could be that it degrades much faster, like the one ammo for energy weapons.

Maybe because bullets are so small and that they don't really rely on blunt trauma like some melee weapons. It depends on the type of weapon and type of armor. I feel like there shouldn't be many melee weapons that get trough something like power armor but something like leather armor against a sledgehammer, well you may not need to pierce flesh to do damage.

I'm not sure (though I think some of the details have been published). I would hope that say... a baseball bat, would have a damage rating below most (if not all?) power armor Damage thresholds ~else you could beat them to death with a stick. :banghead:

I seem to recall (or think I do), that there will be some sort of minimum damage always done; (I guess you can beat them to death with a stick).

I'd expect that damage threshold will also apply to melee weapons in some way, however, whether different melee weapons will actually have different armor peircing capabilities or if it's just a generic either it does enough damage to get through the damage threshold or not type thing.



If that were the case, it would make things in practice the same as how damage resistence was handled in Fallout 3, I think, seeing as either way, you would still do a small amount of damage no matter what happens. The way that damage is calculated might be different, but as far as the result players would actually see during gamplay, it would probably be pretty much the same.

But my impression is that with damage threshold, if you're attack isn't strong enough to pierce through your target's armor, you won't do any damage at all, contrary to the way Fallout 3 handled armor where it reduced damage by a certain percentage and thus at maximum damage resistence every attack would still do a small amount of damage.

I really hope so, but I do recall something about "20%". It may be that your weapon will be reduced to 20% damage?

In the videos there is a Shield icon that pops up if your weapon could be doing more damage. I'm starting to think that this could mean that weapons doing more (above the DT) damage do full damage, and those that do less (below the DT) do reduced damage. That's terrible IMO if true.

**Edit:** That's terrible if true of Power Armors. Even so... Light conventional armor should still protect completely from certain attacks, and not just reduce them. Imagine being decked out in full body armor with face helmet, and being damaged by BB's and billy sticks.

I've been under the impression that they're going back to the way FO1 and 2 did it? Damage Threshold reduces the damage by a set amount, then Damage Resistance reduces the damage again by a percentage? In New Vegas, the impression I came under was that if a weapon's damage is not higher than the Damage Threshold, it will still do a small amount of damage regardless, but nowhere near as much as a weapon that could exceed the Threshold by a comfortable margin.

Could be... Does 1/5 damage sound about right?

Yeah. I just found out in another thread that DR has been taken out completely and relaced with DT and DT alone. My bad. So 20% always getting through sounds about right - this is only a guess though based on what direction I'd expect the developers to take.

Melee has the ripper and the deathclaw gaultlet both of which slice through armor in the lore and likely do in this game. As for how dt works.. yes exactly 20% of damage always gets through no matter what.

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