Talos

Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:14 am

I see Talos as being the aedric version of Sheogorath. In a sense, a mortal is Talos and after SI, a mortal is Sheogorath. I'm not comparing them in any other way. However, did those two mortals truly become Daedra and Aedra, or do they just hold the titles? I remember Sheogorath telling me I will not be a Daedric Prince, but does the player character become one over time? How did the situation work with Tiber Septim becoming one of the Nine?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:08 pm

Let's see if I get the short version right....

Talos was a nordic general who enantinomorhped with the Underking to become half of a Shezzarine/Aurieline duo. Which one is immaterial since they are the same even though they aren't (enantinomorph is so bad-ass) Then the CoC becomes the Pelinaline (is literally referred to by Talos as "pelinal reborn") who was the Shezzarine, as well as the madgod. So yes, they are the same person because talos and CoC are both the Shezzarine, and the CoC is also Sheogorath.

EDIT: is that about right?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:36 pm

Let's see if I get the short version right....

Talos was a nordic general who enantinomorhped with the Underking to become half of a Shezzarine/Aurieline duo. Which one is immaterial since they are the same even though they aren't (enantinomorph is so bad-ass) Then the CoC becomes the Pelinaline (is literally referred to by Talos as "pelinal reborn") who was the Shezzarine, as well as the madgod. So yes, they are the same person because talos and CoC are both the Shezzarine, and the CoC is also Sheogorath.

EDIT: is that about right?


I'm asking if Talos's and the CoC's ascensions to their immortal positions actually made them immortals or not. I'm asking if the CoC actually became a Daedra and if Tiber Septim actually became an Aedra.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:57 pm

I'm asking if Talos's and the CoC's ascensions to their immortal positions actually made them immortals or not. I'm asking if the CoC actually became a Daedra and if Tiber Septim actually became an Aedra.

Sort of?

They enantinomorphed and mantled. So they became more and less than either one. I think, at least for talos, spirit may be more accurate than "Aedra," since he didn't give a piece of his own body to the world, but Akatosh and shor both did, so he did too without actually doing it. He is a fakeout aedra. as for the CoC, time will tell.

Wierded out yet? I hate sounding like the cryptic bastard, but that's really the only way I know how to tell that story.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:09 pm

Talos was a nordic general who enantinomorhped with the Underking to become half of a Shezzarine/Aurieline duo. Which one is immaterial since they are the same even though they aren't (enantinomorph is so bad-ass) Then the CoC becomes the Pelinaline (is literally referred to by Talos as "pelinal reborn") who was the Shezzarine, as well as the madgod. So yes, they are the same person because talos and CoC are both the Shezzarine, and the CoC is also Sheogorath.
And Sheogorath "was 'born' when Lorkhan's Shezarr's divine spark is removed"...
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:10 pm

And Sheogorath "was 'born' when Lorkhan's Shezarr's divine spark is removed"...

...and the world became unpredictable, making Jyggalag go mad.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:41 pm

I think, at least for talos, spirit may be more accurate than "Aedra," since he didn't give a piece of his own body to the world, but Akatosh and shor both did, so he did too without actually doing it. He is a fakeout aedra.


Or were they his Anticipation(s)?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:19 am

Or were they his Anticipation(s)?

Damn. Just when I thought I had him/them pegged at last. That's an interesting way of thinking about it. Does this mean they'll go psycho and try to kill him/she/them/it like Azura seems to have? Or are you not allowed to talk about future TES plot? :D
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:03 pm

I mean, there is precedent.
Contemporary sources indicate that [Sheogorath's] roots are in Aldmeri creation stories; therein, he is 'born' when Lorkhan's divine spark is removed. One crucial myth calls him the 'Sithis-shaped hole' of the world.
-Varieties of Faith
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:52 pm

Or were they his Anticipation(s)?


Huh?? does that mean each triune mantled their anticipations?

They did take their place as worship figures, but i never saw it as mantling
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:04 pm

Anticipations = godly (et'ada) precursors, not necessarily steps for mantling.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:59 pm

Damn. Just when I thought I had him/them pegged at last. That's an interesting way of thinking about it. Does this mean they'll go psycho and try to kill him/she/them/it like Azura seems to have? Or are you not allowed to talk about future TES plot? :D

It's probably not the same when the anticipation is a retroactive Aedra as opposed to a Daedra.
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