Would it be possible

Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:55 am

If Divayth Fyr is able to clone himself could he clone Yagrum Bagarn and possibly bring back the dwemer?
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Darren Chandler
 
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:02 pm

Don't know how well that would fare with Yagrum's Corprus. Theoretically I'd say he could (or MAY be able to) make SOME clones; I hardly think he could restart a lost civilization with that though. But that's just my opinion, for I haven't read that much about Corprus.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:58 pm

If Divayth Fyr is able to clone himself could he clone Yagrum Bagarn and possibly bring back the dwemer?

    "No. Impossible. His "Wife/Daughters" were made in his likeness and was not an easy task. I assume it was painstaking enough that he would never attempt it again. In the case of the Dwemer, it is highly unlikely that this is a power within his grasp. Even attempting this would end in failure."--VXSS

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Beulah Bell
 
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:24 pm

Yeah, I'm shaky on the whole dreamsleeve thing, but wouldn't trying to wrest a soul that is no longer a part of the Aurbis 'back' into a mortal frame be very... difficult to say the least?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:37 pm

Didn't one of the aedra create the race of Khajiit? I forget who it was or where I read it. But if one of the supreme beings can create an entire race, I'm sure they could just recreate the dwarven race again.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Yeah, I'm shaky on the whole dreamsleeve thing, but wouldn't trying to wrest a soul that is no longer a part of the Aurbis 'back' into a mortal frame be very... difficult to say the least?

Why would cloning Dwemer confuse you when Fyr did the same thing with his "daughters?"

Didn't one of the aedra create the race of Khajiit? I forget who it was or where I read it. But if one of the supreme beings can create an entire race, I'm sure they could just recreate the dwarven race again.

Azura, a Daedric Lord, did. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:59 am

Azura, a Daedric Lord, did. http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/clanmother.shtml.


Ah, well there ya go. Problem solved. Just slip Azura a few gold coins and say "psst, hey Azura, go muster an entire dwarven race for me real quick."
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:07 pm

My two cents on the topic :
While it may be possible for Diviath Fyr to create clones (same and transgender) from Yagrum's body, there is the problem of Corprus. The clones would likely manifest it too, and the "cure" only worked on one very specific subject. For the magical approach, considering the blatant contempt the Dwemers displayed toward the Daedra Princes, I doubt any of them would be pleased by the idea of bringing them back.

Besides, what defined the Dwemers (and set them appart) was not anatomy/skin tone, but their culture and philosophy. Those are gone for good, you cannot recreate them with the parcelar memory of Yagrum and what's few books remain.

Cloning Yagrum may produce dwemer-looking beings, but these would be at best a mediocre imitation of this long-lost culture, and I doubt Diviath Fyr would inflict such a painful reminder of all that was lost on someone (Yagrum) he consider a friend.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Ah, well there ya go. Problem solved. Just slip Azura a few gold coins and say "psst, hey Azura, go muster an entire dwarven race for me real quick."

No...more like made the khajiit they way they were by taking elves who had stability issues (pretty much everyone pre-Yffre), and make them cat-like and stablized by binding their form depending on the moon cycle.

Plus, Azura would probably never want the Dwemer to come back. After all, they did give her the middle finger before.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:08 pm

I suppose what I'm getting at is that the difference between the Dwemer and other elves is as much philosophical as it is any other kind. In other words, sure, maybe if you could recreate a Dwemer body, then you could recreate the Dwemer race nominally. However, they had their own way of thinking, their own language, approach to metaphysics that most of which we don't know. Would they really be Dwemer if they didn't have that a part of them?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:59 pm

I try to think of the concept of cloning on character and all can think of is the Vault of Gary (Garies? I can never seem to remember how to punctuate the more than one).

This sounds like a relatively easy thing to create in a mod.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:09 am

My two cents on the topic :
While it may be possible for Diviath Fyr to create clones (same and transgender) from Yagrum's body, there is the problem of Corprus. The clones would likely manifest it too, and the "cure" only worked on one very specific subject. For the magical approach, considering the blatant contempt the Dwemers displayed toward the Daedra Princes, I doubt any of them would be pleased by the idea of bringing them back.

Besides, what defined the Dwemers (and set them appart) was not anatomy/skin tone, but their culture and philosophy. Those are gone for good, you cannot recreate them with the parcelar memory of Yagrum and what's few books remain.

Cloning Yagrum may produce dwemer-looking beings, but these would be at best a mediocre imitation of this long-lost culture, and I doubt Diviath Fyr would inflict such a painful reminder of all that was lost on someone (Yagrum) he consider a friend.

Here's a thought. Perhaps they are not true clones, but a mixture of Fyr's flesh and the flesh of corprus victims. Hence why they do not get corprus despite being surrounded by the affliction. And why they're all a bit different. And why they're female.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:56 pm

I'm pretty sure Divayth Fyr explained how he cloned them. Someone should go put the quote up. I'd attempt to, but I'm in class right now.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:00 am

Ah, well there ya go. Problem solved. Just slip Azura a few gold coins and say "psst, hey Azura, go muster an entire dwarven race for me real quick.


Azura may have been involved in the Dwemer disappearance. She hated them, and even if she had nothing to do with what happened to them, she wouldn't want them back.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:38 pm

I'm pretty sure Divayth Fyr explained how he cloned them. Someone should go put the quote up. I'd attempt to, but I'm in class right now.

If you're referring to what he said in-game, he mentioned that they were born in a jar, a benefit of his research into Corprus, and made from his flesh. It wasn't very specific.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:30 pm

Here's a question: Are Divyth Fyr's clones even fertile? (Heck, is Fyr?) Given the absence of children in TES games a a rule, the world will never know.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:54 pm

Here's a question: Are Divyth Fyr's clones even fertile? (Heck, is Fyr?) Given the absence of children in TES games a a rule, the world will never know.

There are some hints that he does use them for his "needs" on occasion.
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Jade Payton
 
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:10 pm

There are some hints that he does use them for his "needs" on occasion.


Oh, I don't doubt that for a single moment. The question is whether these unions bear fruit or not.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:55 am

Oh, I don't doubt that for a single moment. The question is whether these unions bear fruit or not.

I feel inclined to say no...They were the result of using corpus or somethin'
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