Basically, they wanted to go backwards, not forwards. And we don't know really why they failed. Some say that the last dwarf was there to throw the "on" switch from "off". But all theories are just speculation. We don't know why they failed, if they failed at all, or what. We just know when it came to it, once Kagrenac used the tools, all dwemer (save for that one) disappeared and become the skin of a vegetable walk-brass god.

It is extremely and heavily implied it was being constructed at Red Mountain, because that is the final place Nerevar pushed the dwarfs to, and were knocking at their doors and Kargrenac used them on the heart as a desperate last now or never. There would be no point in using the tools, if the golem wasn't already hooked up. From what it seemed, they were still working out the kinks of their ascend to before everything theory before they used the tools on the heart.

No it wasn't. If you played MW though all of the main quest, you will notice that the second "Numidium" is actually Dagoth Ur's version of what the dwemer did because it's a giant golem made of corpus instead of dwemer metal (which is knowledge only the dwemer knew how to make). It is also thought that Dagoth Ur had some knowledge on how to use the tools, for he did become a god through them when he was killed the first time (but he still needed to recover for a while). Because the Tribunal kicked his sorry butt the first time, they gained the tools, learned how to use them through Sotha Sil's studies, and the three of them became gods. This was also after they killed Nerevar. Dagoth Ur was pretty much sitting in Red Mountain, waiting for Nerevar to come back and tell him what to do with the tools. And Dagoth Ur was continuously killed by the Tribunal, until he got his Ash Vampires to help ambush them one day, and took the two tools (but not Wraithguard). This, I believe, occurred some point after Tiber Septim took the original Numidium


Tiber was ready to invade MW, and pretty much taken over every other place but MW and Summerset Ilse. Vivec and the tribunal still were pushing Dagoth Ur around like a little [censored], so it was before the Tribunal lost the tools. Since Vivec knew what happened to MW when Reman fought MW, Vivec negotiated with Tiber Septim, allowed TS to "have" Morrowind and the Numidium. Then one day, the Tribunal were skipping back to Red Mountain (though there is still some debate if they strutted, power walked, jogged, or side-stepped to RM) in order to refresh their godly powers by bathing it some more, because their godly powers do fade over time. Since they had previously and many times over kicked Dagoth Ur's butt relentlessly, they didn't expect to be spooked by Dagoth Ur AND his ash vampires. Because of this surprise, they dropped the tools in shear shock and ran away (though many people will tell you they ambushed and had their butts kicked and lost the tools that way). Doesn't say when TS took MW, but it was sometime before Dagoth Ur woke up and took the tools back. And no, it says that the Numidium was a rumored gift when TS annexed MW.

I hope I helped, instead of making the situation worse.

Just incase, I'll try to sum up what I said:
*dwemer use Stompy (Numidium) to go back, not forwards
*Stompy no work. Don't know why
*Dagoth Ur wants to make Stompy 2 where Stompy was made (because that is where the heart has been, plus there's lots of room to make a giant robot zoid)
*Stompy 2 is made of corpus, and is not Stompy
*Dagoth Ur wants to use Stompy 2 to get rid of all the xenos (everyone but pure MW dunmer) out of MW, then have Stompy 2 take over the world and everyone worship Stompy 2 with Dagoth Ur as his high priest. Dagoth Ur didn't really know exactly why the dwemer built Stompy in the first place. Silly elves
*Dagoth Ur knew how to use the heart to power Stompy and how to become a god. We don't know when he learned, but he did.
*Dagoth Ur didn't wake up till the Tribunal gave away Stompy a few years back when Tiber Septim was going around, kicking ass.
*After Stompy was given away, at 2E882, the Tribunal go back to the heart to refresh their god powers. Dagoth Ur spooks them with the combined spookage of him and his ash vampires. The Tribunal, being very spooked, dropped the tools and ran away.
*Tribunal try taking it back years later by sending him letters telling him how angry they are and also have lots of dunmer also write letters to Dagoth Ur telling him how uncool it was for him to spook the Tribunal, and to return the tools. Dagoth Ur ignores the spam.

Is it this giant robot thing at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE2SALIE6l4 or this thing falling apart at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVcNaQiiEKQ?


Are you referring to the Long Sleep from which Dagoth Ur awoke in http://2E%20882?



Right, Dagoth Ur was left in charge of the tools. But when Nerevar came back with Tribunal to figure out what to do with the tools, Dagoth Ur was corrupted with greed and power and refused to give the tools up. So they took them by force, but Dagoth escaped (probably to some other place in Red Mountain. It's a big mountain, after all) and survived. This is in 1E 700 approximately.
I'm confused on why he "woke up". I haven't read anywhere that he was "continuously killed" nor have I read anywhere that he went into a super long hibernation. All it says in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/battle_redmountain.shtml is that Dagoth Ur escaped, along with his retainers. It doesn't mention him again for the next 3000 years. Last we hear of Dagoth Ur is in 1E 700 until 2E 882. That's 3,102 years to be exact. That must have been one deep sleep!

Let's just go chronologically in order and stick to one thing at a time. It'll be easier if we stick to one topic per post. In this case, Dagoth Ur's long sleep after the Tribunal forcefully took the tools from him is what I'm stuck on.
Again, thanks HellMouth, I like how you dumbed it down for me, too. I'm not dumb or retarded but it certainly makes it easier when you put it in goo goo ga ga words, so to speak. lol

EDIT: Why is Azura so threatened by Numidium? She tells Nerevar to prevent it from being completed at all costs:http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/battle_redmountain.shtml

The thing at 2:38 is one of Sotha Sil's robots. unrelated to Numidium and Akulakhan.

The thing at 2:20 is the still under construction Akulakhan, the second "Numidium."

Thanks. I saw a picture of it too. http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/f/f8/MW-place-Akulakhan.jpg

So why did Azura not want the first Numidium to be created? I mean, what does she care if the Dwarves go backwards to the first brush stroke of Anu-Padomay? The Dwarves weren't going to attack the planet or kill off civilizations. They just wanted to reach a higher state of being. So why did this bother Azura?

Then why are you're assuming she did it?

The second one. That's the second Numidium, a corpus copy of the first.


Yeah. And the details of what happened to be up in the air. You have the Tribunal saying he was a dike, then you have him saying the Tribunal were dikes, and other literature that agrees with one or the other or neither. In orderwords, he was killed, and "slept" for a long time. He was a dead god that was still dreaming, and only thought to have woken up. He sees the tower from the inside instead of looking from the outside.


Supposedly, if you asked the Tribunal. If you asked him or other people, they would say he guarded them, but it was the Tribunal that was corrupted. Don't quote me on this, but I THINK the general consensus is Nerevar was killed when trying to ask Azura what to do with the tools. The Tribunal marched to Red Mountain to take the tools and become gods themselves. Dagoth Ur may have experimented on them a bit, and somehow got linked to Shor's heart, but was still "killed" by the Tribunal and they become the three living gods of Morrowind.

Okay, here's pretty much what happened. The chimer had just defeated the dwemer. Nerevar and Dagoth Ur found the tools and the heart. Nerevar wanted to figure out to do with the tools, so he gave them to Dagoth Ur to protect, and make sure no one touches them until he gets back. nerevar was killed by the Tribunal. The Tribunal get to Red Mountain and take the tools away from Dagoth Ur and, from what it seems, they killed him. However, he wasn't completely dead, whether he tampered with the heart a bit, or whether it was because he was close to it, but regardless he was not completely dead. That length of time was when he was "dead" but not really dead. Why did it take him so long to wake up? I dunno.


Late night ramblings make it hard for me to understand what I am writing, so I did that in case I started to ramble too much or become incoherent.


Refer to proweler's post

In a world where everything is one big repetition, wouldn't the scariest thing be something new?

I don't get your question. Why am I assuming Azura did what?

Its been a while since I've payed any attention to it, but from memory I believe that Nerevar and company came back and found Dagoth insane, killed him, and then the Tribunal killed Nerevar sometime afterward. Hence why Dagoth Ur is so ticked that you killed him in a past life when you play the game, saying that you betrayed him...

Had anything to do with the events at Red Mountain I'd assume.

Oh, why am I assuming that Azura had anything to do with the events at Red Mountain? Well.... I'm not assuming that at all. She didn't have anything to do with Red Mountain. All she did was tell Nerevar to stop the dwarves from finishing Numidium. And what I want to know is why she told him that. Why does she want him to stop the dwarves? Is it because maybe later on, they might try and take over Resdayn (Morrowind) and destroy Dunmer religion? Or am I way out in left field?

Any idea where he mentions that, or it is mentioned? If it's implied during the final talks, I can't see it for myself right now, nor did he say "you betrayed me before," in some manner.

One hypothesis is that the Dwarves humiliated her, chronicled in a tale called "http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/marobar11.shtml."

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nerevar_redmountain.shtml says that she wanted it destroyed because it could be a threat to the whole world.

"Yet beneath Red Mountain, you struck me down as I guarded the treasure you bound me by oath to defend. It was a cruel blow, a bitter betrayal, to be felled by your hand."http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/message_from_dagoth_ur.shtml

"That is bitter. The gods and fates are cruel. I served you faithfully once, Lord Nerevar, and you repaid me with death. I hope this time it will be you who pays for your faithlessness."--Dagoth Ur when you reply that you are Nerevar Reborn

And then some Ashlanders also mention it as well...

I stand corrected then.

I read the box one. Doesn't seem like she would want Nerevar to stop the dwarves just because one of them made a fool out of her with the red flower out of the box trick. I mean, geez, get over it Azura.

But the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nerevar_redmountain.shtml seems more like a good enough reason, as the dwarves and chimer were buttholes to each other but became friends after they both beat the cream cheese out of the Nords and saved Resdayn (Morrowind). But the tribunal told their King of Resdayn, nerevar, to claim Resdayn for his own, since they said the "peace" would not last. And in that book, it says that Kagrenac was also building the Numidium so that the dwarves could take over Resdayn, but I'm sticking with the theory that they wanted to go back to before Anu-Padomay. But then that theory doesn't fit with Azura's fear. In the Nerevar at Red Mountain story, Azura doesn't want the Numidium to be completed because she fears that the dwarves will use it to conquer Resdayn and eventually the world, and that isn't good, seeing as how all the patronage and worship of Azura would be destroyed as well. Right?