Once again questioning the Nine : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:33 am

It appears that the "bloodline" idea is due to the nature of a monarchy; the monarch's descendents usually have the most claim to the throne. And Mankar Camoran was the heir to the ancient Camoran Dynasty.

Yes, and through the Camorans, quite potentially the Ayleids as well. But I don't see how Mankar could be prominently related to the Remans (other than the common-variety sort of "related" as with the Septims, where after so many generations, most people can realistically claim some small amount of Septim blood). I have seen no source to identify a connection to the Remans.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:10 pm

Yes, and through the Camorans, quite potentially the Ayleids as well. But I don't see how Mankar could be prominently related to the Remans (other than the common-variety sort of "related" as with the Septims, where after so many generations, most people can realistically claim some small amount of Septim blood). I have seen no source to identify a connection to the Remans.

He wasn't related, he was from another dynasty. Just like the Remans, the Alessians, and the Septims. All were dynasties that had claim to Cyrodiil.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:04 pm

Yes, again, this I know. Hence why my original post was questioning the validity and demanding sources for this:

Mancar wearing the Amulet makes perfect sense. not because he was a septim, but he was the last desendant of the Remans.

while also noting this:

Besides, bloodline has nothing to do with it. Anyone who has the true potential to grasp royalty or power can wear the amulet that represents it.

to further solidify this:

He wasn't related, he was from another dynasty. Just like the Remans, the Alessians, and the Septims. All were dynasties that had claim to Cyrodiil.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:19 pm

I messed up the timeframe of dynasties in my head, sorry. He was related to a royal bloodline, though. i remember reading that somewhere

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:20 pm

That's what makes Martin so influential and what dwarfs the player's achievements. Martin shatters the amulet and brings about the Avatar of Akatosh, but more importantly he redefines or renegotiates the liminal barriers and destroys the foreseeable possibility of Daedric invasion. The player, regardless of how powerful they were, could not bring that about. Even if they had single-handedly banished Dagon, it would not be the end of the invasion, nor would it solve the root of the problem.

This this this. Martin gets the glory because he performed the act that matters, and did something that the player never could.
Plus, Martin's an awesome character and kind of deserves the laud he gets.

Also, as for Mankar and the Amulet... when we saw him wearing it, he was in Paradise. His world, his rules?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:50 pm

Also, as for Mankar and the Amulet... when we saw him wearing it, he was in Paradise. His world, his rules?

He was also wearing it in Lake Arrius Caverns, decidedly on Nirn. 'Twas not done unintentionally.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:13 pm

He was also wearing it in Lake Arrius Caverns, decidedly on Nirn. 'Twas not done unintentionally.

Oh, you're right. Sorry, my mistake.
I think the idea of Mankar being of royal blood might be referring to the Camoran Usurper? But that wouldn't be royal blood, really.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:32 pm

It's like Luke, Anakin, and Darth Vader. Anakin, or Darth Vader, is credited as the chosen one who restores balance to the force, even though Luke did a lot of the work. Why? Because if it weren't for Darth Vader, Luke would have died, the Rebellion been crushed, and the Sith would rule the galaxy. Darth Vader did the actual "Throwing the Big Bad Guy into the bottomless chasm of doom" part. If Martin hadn't turned into Akatosh, the Empire would have been screwed. See what I'm saying?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:51 am

Vader did bring balance to the force, luke messed it up again. They were equal. 2 sith, 2 jedi (well actually he failed, there were more than 2 jedi, but...)

Read Darth Bane, you'll find why he is one of two sith, instead of thousands.