The Dwemer are back!

Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:17 pm

"You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."
- Sotha Sils Last Words.


so.....Yagrum ate them?

sort of makes sense i a warped cannibalistic way :shrug:
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:45 pm

He also said that he didn't murder Nerevar.

Then he said he did. So...

That's just one theory. We don't know whether that's true. And we don't know who is responsible for it, although there's less speculation about that. If Azura was responsible, then she might be able to make them come back. The Dwemer couldn't be gone completely, as there are still Dwemer ghosts.


Why would Azura make the Dwemer come back???
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:10 pm

Because really they didn't become the golden skin of the Numidium, they became the golden skin of Yagrum's fat ass. The Numidium wasn't finished so the souls sought the closest Dwemeri host and he swelled up a like a balloon trying to contain them all - claiming he has corprus is his cover...

That is so much cooler than the Numidium thing.

He also said that he didn't murder Nerevar.

Zing.

That's just one theory. We don't know whether that's true. And we don't know who is responsible for it, although there's less speculation about that. If Azura was responsible, then she might be able to make them come back. The Dwemer couldn't be gone completely, as there are still Dwemer ghosts.

It doesn't really matter what happened to them, as, if they came back, the Dunmer would massacre them.

I'll go with this, too. Yes, at the moment we deliberately have been given information to make it look like that is the case, but other writers working in Hammerfell or Skyrim may have other ideas and use the dwemer outposts there to tell another perspective of what may have happened. But now we're suggesting that preexisting ideas might not be totally true when measured up to newer ones, so we may want to duck.

But I think most of us agree, the dwemer returning would be not only too jarring but unneccessary and almost impossible to implement well.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:17 am

Because really they didn't become the golden skin of the Numidium, they became the golden skin of Yagrum's fat ass. The Numidium wasn't finished so the souls sought the closest Dwemeri host and he swelled up a like a balloon trying to contain them all - claiming he has corprus is his cover...

I actually find myself liking that more than the Numidium stuff.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:49 am

He also said that he didn't murder Nerevar.


"He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this." - Vivec, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons_preface.shtml


Now read carefully:

bitter recriminations:
"You want to chide me... why did I murder Nerevar? why did I break my oath to Azura not to use Kagrenac's tools? why did I cause others to suffer?"

:murder Nerevar:
"We did not murder Nerevar. The legend that we murdered Nerevar comes from a story told by a shield-companion to Nerevar, Alandro Sul, who lived among the Ashlanders. The Ashlanders have retained Alandro Sul's account as part of their oral histories. The account is persuasive in some details, implausible in others, and is in any case false. I have two accounts of Nerevar's death here in my library. Read them, and judge for yourself."
- Vivec, http://www.imperial-library.info/tsomw/mw_18.shtml

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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:30 pm

Now read carefully:

I

We

That sneaky snake in the grass :P . The two V's didn't kill him, only the mortal one. What an [censored].
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:24 pm

With we Vivec is referring to the Tribunal, they are incriminated in Alandro's account.

They made ritual as if to summon Azura as Nerevar wanted but Almalexia used poisoned candles and Sotha Sil used poisoned robes and Vivec used poisoned invocations. Nerevar was murdered. - http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nerevar_redmountain.shtml

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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:34 am

With we Vivec is referring to the Tribunal, they are incriminated in Alandro's account.

They made ritual as if to summon Azura as Nerevar wanted but Almalexia used poisoned candles and Sotha Sil used poisoned robes and Vivec used poisoned invocations. Nerevar was murdered. - http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nerevar_redmountain.shtml

Ahh...STILL! He's a sneaky talker.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:25 pm

so.....Yagrum ate them?

sort of makes sense i a warped cannibalistic way :shrug:

It would explain the bloating and all. :lol:
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:39 pm

"You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."
- Sotha Sils Last Words.

If you ask why one remains, you end up with the conclusion he got corprus. Yagrum's travel through distant realms may simply be peripheral, because if he hadn't contracted corprus, then he wouldn't remain. Maybe the intent was for the reader to think about corprus, as the so called divine disease is connected with the heart of Lorkhan? Then Yagrum's race would be a lie from a previous era, if it weren't for the divine imprint emanating from Lorkhan's imprisoned heart, which has preserved the last of the Dwemer.

Plus, they're dead, as in they're woven into the myth of Tamriel itself.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:41 pm

Problem is, Jackfrost, is that Corpus disease came when Dagoth Ur awoke.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:15 pm

If you ask why one remains, you end up with the conclusion he got corprus. Yagrum's travel through distant realms may simply be peripheral, because if he hadn't contracted corprus, then he wouldn't remain. Maybe the intent was for the reader to think about corprus, as the so called divine disease is connected with the heart of Lorkhan? Then Yagrum's race would be a lie from a previous era, if it weren't for the divine imprint emanating from Lorkhan's imprisoned heart, which has preserved the last of the Dwemer.

Plus, they're dead, as in they're woven into the myth of Tamriel itself.

I think the context of the quote isn't "why has he survived all these years" but "why didn't he disappear with the rest of them"... Sotha Sil's words would be just as valid if stated before Yagrum even got corprus...
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:44 am

I didn't really read it that way luager, but I suppose you're right. However, corprus came before Dagoth. It is the same power that gave the Tribunal their strength, only they had the Dwemer tools to focus and reshape that energy, where Dagoth was exposed to the corprus for a long time, like Vvardenfell.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:12 pm

I didn't really read it that way luager, but I suppose you're right. However, corprus came before Dagoth. It is the same power that gave the Tribunal their strength, only they had the Dwemer tools to focus and reshape that energy, where Dagoth was exposed to the corprus for a long time, like Vvardenfell.


No it didn't.

Corprus does not equal power of the Heart. Corprus is a construction of Ur's. There is no piece of lore that says Corprus gave the Tribunal power.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:42 pm

Nazz had this to say:
Many believe that corprus was created by Dagoth Ur after he gained the power of Lorkhan's heart. I on the other hand think that corprus is in fact the gift/curse of a divine like Divayth would suggest, it is the gift of a true divine, Lorkhan.

The idea it isn't his own creation is voiced by Dagoth Ur:
I will continue to draw divine power from the Heart and distribute it to my kin and followers. I will continue to broadcast divine power upon the blight winds ...
As Luager2 pointed out, context is important, and here, Dagoth Ur was talking about his plans for corprus.

I'm very wrong to say corprus gave the Tribunal their power, that's just stupid of me, but that's not what I tried to say. I mean the corprus carries with it a stigma, because people who get it are ugly and mostly stupid, but it's still of divine origin, Dagoth Ur is only extracting it from Lorkhan's heart. On the other hand, I've read nothing to say it's his invention. His flesh? Yes, but that's a result of exposure and siphoning power from the Heart, not sorcery of his own. Maybe I'm wrong, but what the hell? It's been a while since I've discussed the origins of corprus with anyone.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:20 pm

I wouldn't mind exploring the Dwemer's ruins and their technology again, with the current game technology. It was fun in MW and it would be fun again.

I think it wouldn't make sense bringing them back.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:07 pm

That's just one theory. We don't know whether that's true. And we don't know who is responsible for it, although there's less speculation about that. If Azura was responsible, then she might be able to make them come back. The Dwemer couldn't be gone completely, as there are still Dwemer ghosts.

It doesn't really matter what happened to them, as, if they came back, the Dunmer would massacre them.

I wasn't much into said theory until I realized a few things;

It fits in with what Baladas said regarding them and their study of reversing creation.

It fits in with the general elven take on creation.

And finally, I look at The Egg of Time. Written by Bthuand Mzachnch, a tonal architect seeking to better the Dwemer race, it refutes the idea that using the heart was too risky. If we assume that the reversal of creation was what Bthuand Mzachnch sought, then perhaps his only mistake was not taking into account what could happen if the process was done in a panic with an army of Chimer bent on thwarting them at their doorstep.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:08 pm

Nazz had this to say:
Many believe that corprus was created by Dagoth Ur after he gained the power of Lorkhan's heart. I on the other hand think that corprus is in fact the gift/curse of a divine like Divayth would suggest, it is the gift of a true divine, Lorkhan.

The idea it isn't his own creation is voiced by Dagoth Ur:
I will continue to draw divine power from the Heart and distribute it to my kin and followers. I will continue to broadcast divine power upon the blight winds ...
As Luager2 pointed out, context is important, and here, Dagoth Ur was talking about his plans for corprus.

I'm very wrong to say corprus gave the Tribunal their power, that's just stupid of me, but that's not what I tried to say. I mean the corprus carries with it a stigma, because people who get it are ugly and mostly stupid, but it's still of divine origin, Dagoth Ur is only extracting it from Lorkhan's heart. On the other hand, I've read nothing to say it's his invention. His flesh? Yes, but that's a result of exposure and siphoning power from the Heart, not sorcery of his own. Maybe I'm wrong, but what the hell? It's been a while since I've discussed the origins of corprus with anyone.

I think corprus is rendering the mutant unbound, hence the....tumorous growths and lesions. I mean, Lorkhan is the god of space, the Unstable Mutant, after all.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:47 pm

If you mean it's a mortal reaction to god radiation, then I totally agree.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:28 am

I'm very wrong to say corprus gave the Tribunal their power, that's just stupid of me, but that's not what I tried to say. I mean the corprus carries with it a stigma, because people who get it are ugly and mostly stupid, but it's still of divine origin, Dagoth Ur is only extracting it from Lorkhan's heart.

Indeed. I agree. :)

On the other hand, I've read nothing to say it's his invention. His flesh? Yes, but that's a result of exposure and siphoning power from the Heart, not sorcery of his own. Maybe I'm wrong, but what the hell? It's been a while since I've discussed the origins of corprus with anyone.


The Blight is, though. And in my understanding, Corprus is a sort of "advanced" Blight.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:14 pm

has anyone noticed that the heart is like a highly radioactive object? it can be used to fuel massive things, it can be used to destroy entire races, and it gives those who come in contact a disease similar to radiation poisoning?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:28 pm

I just posted the Blight is man-made. The Heart doesn't naturally emit it.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:36 pm

The Blight is, though. And in my understanding, Corprus is a sort of "advanced" Blight.

That's my understanding for the most part as well.

The Blight is a weather phenomenon associated with Vvardenfell's colossal volcano, Red Mountain. Persistent within the Ghostfence -- that is, within the crater and on the volcano's slopes -- and intermittent near the volcano, the Blight is a health-threatening, ash-heavy volcanic cloud. Plants and creatures exposed to the Blight may contract a variety of blight diseases. The blight diseases you get from being outside during ash storms. The sickness comes from Red Mountain; it makes normal creatures into terrible monsters.

Blight storms, or Blight, are more like the carrier for the blight diseases, these are Dagoth-made. I think they begin from the funnel cloud within the crater.

The encyclopedia does not list corprus as a Blight disease, but I agree it is one.
Blight diseases resist common herbal and magical treatments, ... distort the organism's functions and structures.

So corprus can qualify as a blight disease, but the diseases carried on the blight storms aren't man made, the storms are.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:20 pm

Am I remembering correctly that when the player character completes Morrowind's main quest, the Blight stops? I guess there will still be sandstorms, but not corprus or Blight storms. The only surviving people with corprus are probably the Nerevarine (minus the drawbacks), the remaining corprusarium inmates, and Yagrum.
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