Can't access number menu : IV

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:51 pm

So I don't know why, but the window where I can select numbers that I want from item stacks, e.g. buying how many items, dropping how many items, looting how many items, selling how many items, etc. can't be accessed. I don't know why, but just suddenly I can't seem to access it. It is more irritating than game-breaking, but I'd prefer to fix it as soon as possible. This is the first time I've ever heard of something like this happening, so I'm completely stumped. :shrug: Any help even if you can direct me to a previously documented case would be appreciated since I couldn't find anything at all.

Load order here:

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Oblivion.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
BetterMusicSystem.esm
bookplacing.esm
CM Partners.esm
bookplacing.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp
Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
Encyclopaedia Cyrodilica.esp
Flamering.esp
ImprovedSigns.esp
More Female Servants.esp
BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp
personality_idles2.esp
Update My Statue.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
FF_Real_Thirst.esp
Landmarks.esp
Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Assassin's Creed 2 Revisited.esp
Garak's Sealable Soulgem Bag.esp
Growlfs Animated Hair.esp
Doomshard Bow.esp
Playable GS DS Armor.esp
samurai.esp
ShaiyaOutfit.esp
Tyrael Armor.esp
Universal_Armor_Stands.esp
StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp
GizmodianSorceress.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Daggerfall NPCs.esp
Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
Big Business.esp
BHC_Expanded.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
DragonInvasion.esp
eyja.esp
eyja Vwalk.esp
GlimmeringCastle.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
LordKain_Adash_World.esp
LordKain_Adash_World Vwalk.esp
mystery of mausoleum.esp
Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood.esp
Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood Vwalk.esp
Pats Business Mod---Shop Version 2.0.esp
QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp
Side's Bravil House.esp
Side's Bravil House (COBL).esp
Side's Bruma House.esp
Side's Bruma House (COBL).esp
Side's Cheydinhal House.esp
StopDarkBrotherhood.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
DLCfrostcrag.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp
BrumaMGRestored.esp
BrumaMGRestored Vwalk.esp
BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
HoarfrostCastle.esp
HoarfrostCastle Vwalk.esp
MannimarcoComplete.esp
Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
Shadowcrest_Vineyard_GuardCOBL.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp
ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp
Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp
HeartOftheDead.esp
HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp
Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
Castle_Wolfspike.esp
Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp
Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Bonds Big Portable Tent.esp
Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp
P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
PersuasionOverhaul.esp
SetsunaDummyTraining.esp
Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
BasicInstinct.esp
ClaimThatInterior.esp
Disenchant.esp
Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp
SetEssentialActors.esp
TeachSpell.esp
MidasSpells.esp
Midas OscuroGems.esp
Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp
RshAlchemy.esp
RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
PTDoorExploitBegone.esp
SaveSkillTrainingForLater.esp
actors_in_charge.esp
77_Umpa_Animation.esp
shinyEmotions.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
BWs Argonian Hair.esp
Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp
DKImperials.esp
CM Partners.esp
CM Partners Vwalk.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp
CM Partners More NPCs.esp
CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.esp
DAJadeTabaxi.esp
Tamara.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.esp
CM Partners Argonians by Howabominable.esp
CM Partners Khajits by Howabominable.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
TigerpawsGateCloser.esp
CM_Alli_shamikka.esp
R18PN - Mina Armor.esp
Garak's Staff Replacer Grab, Hold&Decay.esp
Real Hunger, Cobl.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Colored Map for Elsweyr 1.1.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:42 am

Does this problem persist if you uninstall all UI mods?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:57 pm

Does this problem persist if you uninstall all UI mods?

I doubt it's a UI mod problem, the only UI mod i've ever installed was Dark UI and that was way back last year. I'll take it out and test it anyway.

Edit: Nope doesn't work, but I did get an idea. Say a modder was trying to remove the numbers window intentionally, what would they have to do to make that edit in their mod? Maybe I could use TES4edit to filter out all my mods and figure out which one is causing this problem.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:38 am

I doubt it's a UI mod problem, the only UI mod i've ever installed was Dark UI and that was way back last year. I'll take it out and test it anyway.

Edit: Nope doesn't work, but I did get an idea. Say a modder was trying to remove the numbers window intentionally, what would they have to do to make that edit in their mod? Maybe I could use TES4edit to filter out all my mods and figure out which one is causing this problem.

The reason why I mentioned UI is because that it is a menu problem. Mods remove menus by editing out parts of menu's XML. What happens when you remove the Menus folder from the Data folder, entirely?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:29 pm

The reason why I mentioned UI is because that it is a menu problem. Mods remove menus by editing out parts of menu's XML. What happens when you remove the Menus folder from the Data folder, entirely?

Will try it tomorrow and and see what happens.

EDIT: A whole lot of CTD happens :ahhh: any other advice?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:54 pm

Alright, so I did a bit more testing, and it appears not all my saves are being affected. Whenever I start a new character I make two untouched saves, one before cosmetic and background adjustments, and one right after. These saves which are minutes into the game are fine! The numbers menu is working properly and everything! So I guess what I'm saying is, what gives? :confused:

EDIT: Tested it out on a new game, works perfectly normal. So it seems that the problem is exclusive to my recent saves. Any ideas why Tom?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:17 pm

Will try it tomorrow and and see what happens.

EDIT: A whole lot of CTD happens :ahhh: any other advice?

Yeah, there is that possibility too, given the nature of UI mods, haha. Hmmm... This is a really odd problem, menus not working over time. I wonder if this could have anything to do with the a-bomb problems...seems odd...

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:21 am

Yeah, there is that possibility too, given the nature of UI mods, haha. Hmmm... This is a really odd problem, menus not working over time. I wonder if this could have anything to do with the a-bomb problems...seems odd...

Could you give me a link to the most detailed source about the A-bomb?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:51 pm

Could you give me a link to the most detailed source about the A-bomb?

The a-bomb bug is an animation issue. I do not know of a source that mentions menus malfunctioning. One of Natural Weather's bugs affects menus though. Try removing that mod. It has to do with a scripted weather bug. The problem was not isolated to NW, but it is the only major weather mod that has the bug now. Get the fixed version. I do not know whether or not the damage done by that bug is permanent, but clean-saving NW out of your LO would probably be the safest option.

Popular Outdated Mods - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=popular_outdated_mods <-- link to fixed version here

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:29 pm

The a-bomb bug is an animation issue. I do not know of a source that mentions menus malfunctioning. One of Natural Weather's bugs affects menus though. Try removing that mod. It has to do with a scripted weather bug. The problem was not isolated to NW, but it is the only major weather mod that has the bug now. Get the fixed version. I do not know whether or not the damage done by that bug is permanent, but clean-saving NW out of your LO would probably be the safest option.

Popular Outdated Mods - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=popular_outdated_mods <-- link to fixed version here

Thanks I'll test that one.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:20 pm

Thanks I'll test that one.

Remember to remove NW and save, and test that clean file, before adding in the fixed version.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:28 pm

Nope nothing works :unsure2: I've decided to just scrap my game and start over. If I ever run into the problem again I'll be sure to study it much more carefully and not let it spread beyond my control like I did this time, maybe then I'll figure out what causes the problem so that other people who get it have some sort of reference point.