So.... What exactly happens to people that die in Tamriel? Is there a heaven and hell? Or an underworld like Hades? Or do people just stop existing unless there are undead? Or does everyone become undead?

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1000865&hl=Dreamsleeve is an informative thread about the Dreamsleeve.

So its like reincarnation then?

Reincarnation minus the caste system of Hinduism and the moral arbitration of both Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as minus the established Hindu and Buddhist end-goal of escaping the cycle through elimination of sensory desire. Since virtually none of the population knows about the Dreamsleeve, they can't very well say they want to escape it (not to mention, it's subjective whether escaping it is desired or not), and the methods of escaping it are completely different from typical real-world beliefs about reincarnation.

But it's more Socratic than eastern, in the sense that all identity is stripped away and the soul is returned as a complete blank state, whereas more eastern ideals would claim your past affects your present. Essentially, when the dreamsleeve is done, "you", the identity, are gone.

I was just reading that Dreamsleeve stuff and I was wondering...

What's the difference between the Dreamsleeve bringing you back to the mortal realm and a Necromancer bringing you back to the mortal realm?

I think the Dreamsleeve is recyclying your soul, while Necromancers bring you back as a Zombie or Ghost ETC.

I wouldn't go so far to say the past life of a soul doesn't affect it's present/future, as in some cases it would/does, such as with Nerevar/Nerevarine.

Necromancers, I believe, trap other souls in soulgems to raise skeletons or the like. If a person dies without being soul trapped, then their soul is released into the dreamsleeve. Necromancer's can raise people's corpereal bodies from the grave, but the soul is or has been recycled (excluding if it had been soultrapped, as you can raise a person's body with that person's soul).

Another interesting fact about the Dreamsleeve, it is believed that each person sees the Sleeve as they expect it to be. The Nords see a Valhalla like place, while the other races experience different things.

Of course, on notable exception is when a mortal gives themselves up to a certain Daedric prince, as in the case of Umaril the Unfeathered. This sends the mortal's soul to that Deadra's realm when they die.



I believe that was more divine intervention, with Azura taking Nerevar's soul and guiding the new body through the events of the Nerevarine. But I could be wrong :shrug:

Nope. Totally unrelated.

Necromancers trapping human souls comes al the way from Redgaurd where N'Gasta was doing it to sell them to Clavicus Vile for more power/knowledge.

It's almost a given that Nerevar underwent Lunar Currency and bypassed the Dreamsleeve, going straight into Azura's hands instead. He was a devout worshiper.
And of course, Azura, being Daedroth and all, would then be in a perfect position to predict judgment upon ALMSIVI via prophecies. After all, she holds both the power, motivation, and the key (Nerevar's soul) to kickstart that prediction whenever some incarnate-worthy mortals come around.

It's like reformatting your hard drive*. I would know, being the owner of one that tends to fail every fifth month or so now. :facepalm:


As far as I know, this was not influenced in any way by the events concerning Nerevar or the events concerning the past of our hero. I've always imagined his reincarnation as less of a "congratulations, you've won the reincarnation lottery, you get to be Nerevar" and more like something to the tune of, "Nerevar/Azura/fate/Todd Howard was drunk and just happened to choose you". Remember - you do not only fulfill the prophecies because you are the Nerevarine, but you are the Nerevarine because you can fulfill the prophecies.

I hate it when people misunderstand necromancy.

I hate hospitals... and lawyers...and cops....

Oh, and vans too.

I like leather vests though..

Not my van though, you love my van.

Terribly sorry there, my mistake. I must have been thinking of a mod. Or one of my ideas I had while writing a story that had passages of a necromancy instruction book in it. Haven't studied lore for a while now :read:




:confused: What?

Left 4 dead dude... left. 4. dead.

The dreamsleeve brings you soul back, but minus your identity. you soul's next owner will create a new identity
A necromancer can't grab a soul out of the dreamsleeve, however they can trap souls from going to the dreamsleeve.



I always thought that was one specific soul gem, and one specific soul trap spell: considering the person was still alive but soul-less.