The relativity of religion in TES : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:18 pm

No, Christianity was well established at the height of the Roman Empire, and in its waning days the Empire even became Christian. It was the Holy Roman Empire that spread so much of Christianity across Europe following the collapse of the old Roman Empire, and it was a Romano-Briton Christian that introduced Christianity to Ireland and his sucessors did the same when Britannia Province fell to the Saxons.
The Cyrodiilic architecture was supposed to have a lot of Tenochtitlan and Venice in it as well, but that didn't translate into the game, nor did the rice paddies. None of which is particularly Roman. Trying to work out where thy are on a long and twisting historical map tells us very little about Tamriel, though.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:13 am

Arms and armor are a mish-mash from all eras - the most basic studded leather from ancient times to plate from the Renaissance. Aside from the form (chain and plate), you have to consider the technology to purify the ore to a degree where it isn't brittle from too much carbon.

I'd go for the standard fantasy trope here though. I don't believe any particular amount of thought went into the weapon and armour flavour this time.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:32 pm

Well to be able tell what time period era and region is kind of... Difficult. I know that Christianity didn't appear on the scene until after the Roman Empire fell apart. Also noting the regional construct style and names for the different cities also remind me of the R.E... Sealing the deal with the Redguards hailing in from Northern Africa.

What has Christianity have to do with TES?

Alchemical-wise, even today using alchemy is rather... Primative... Or CAN be I don't know exactly, but I remember chemistry class. Still only Vials and Tubes right?

1) Alchemy was never a science
2) Chemistry is effing amazing. Obviously you haven't taken a college level and above course. Chemistry is what makes much of technology and manufacturing techniques today even possible.

The dungeons were well abandoned and claimed by bandits by then... Most show signs of deterioration so we can pretty much guess the Iron and Steel weren't NEW materials...
So...
Its difficult to pinpoint... The presence of attire suggest the Golden Age... But that's post R.E.

:huh: What does iron and steel have to do with the run-down forts?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:41 am

Don't start...

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:22 am

1) Alchemy was never a science
2) Chemistry is effing amazing. Obviously you haven't taken a college level and above course. Chemistry is what makes much of technology and manufacturing techniques today even possible.

Well, a lot of the procedural side of alchemy (as opposed to the religious side) was what chemistry evolved from in the first place.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:20 pm

Well, a lot of the procedural side of alchemy (as opposed to the religious side) was what chemistry evolved from in the first place.

I suppose so... in the same way that basic arithmetic eventually spawned calculus. Large time gap between adding 2+2 and integrals.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:58 pm

Which was majorly utilized in the pre-christian roman empire...

See?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:40 am

Don't start...

Which was majorly utilized in the pre-christian roman empire...

See?

Honestly, I can't see what you're trying to get out of this thread. TES is not intentionally a commentary on our world, either in the real-life elements it alludes to or the ones it straight-out borrows. In the end, it borrows or alludes to way too much to be a coherent picture of one glimpse of humanity/time-period or another.

As I said way earlier in this thread, it's only allegory if you make it allegory.

The socio-industrial trends of Tamriel, outside of tiny little anecdotes and incidences, have little in common in broad scale with those of real life because they start from completely different premises.
The religious and societal trends of Tamriel have even less in common in broad scale with those of real life, because they too start from completely different premises.
Christianity is irrelevant to TES, especially since Gods are both defined in the sense that they're irrefutably there, and blurred in the sense that what it means to be a "god" is questionable. Especially when you can Reach Heaven by Violence. And then there's the defined "afterlife" involves soul-recycling or lunar currency to slingshot you to the entity who best suits your AE.
True, TES has alchemy. True, The Imperials as presented in TES:IV have Roman influences. But that's not enough to insinuate similar timeframes or to try and map out a real-world timeframe that TES takes place in. Because of the complexity of the mish-mash, it's pretty much impossible for one. And for two, even attempting to do so is to cheapen what the ES universe represents in a way.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:29 pm

Which was majorly utilized in the pre-christian roman empire...

See?

No? I was merely contending your statement that Chemistry today was still primitive with "vials and test tubes" (nevermind the technological innovation that had to go into the glass working techniques to produce consistently accurate glass lab ware; nevermind that the tool are nothing without the knowledge of the chemical properties and laws governing nature).

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:51 pm

Okay I can see where I derailed...

I was speaking to everyone in the thread not just Al...

I just quoted him

I didn't mean to belittle alchemy I meant to say its solid in its craft. Vials, tubes, and whatnot has endured through the civilizations. Which means its at a base state. Pure in form.

I wasn't leading to any points either referencing Christianity. That's just something I picked up among other completely irrelevent facts and factors.

And, I personally seek to break down the informations pertaining to which eras are represented in the game, like I said way earlier in the post I'm researching relativities. Like the thread title. So, sorry if I was misunderstood. Didn't see it.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:07 pm

That's cool...

Nah I've beaten the game twice or so. But I bought another copy or two for information gathering. Folklore seems to expand from games to movies to books. Pretty much the same stuff if you haven't heard...

So I'm here to research. Only I play the hardest difficulty... (no magic or potions or fast travel or enchanments)... Yeah, of course I'm not that far!

Hard to close an oblivion gate without using magic yourself ya know...which I figure blurs the line between who's the good guy... And whose the bad guy...

But I'm learning to cherish every friendly NPC and hear them out when they talk.... And I'm just wondering why so much time was poured into a spiritual tes...Unless like the other aspects it branched out. Or it was relevent in some sort of fashion to our lives.... Cause we all know the battle system is HELL to deal with. Lol. So I'm tryna just BE there...

But yeah like I said I couldn't relax in the church cause I wanted to find some books and not go to jail or get killed for downstairs. I used to go to a templ style church, all the religions shared the temple so... I spent time in chambers for other religions and seeing the robes and things I've never known about. Some of them were dark and gloomy but I felt safe because God was with me. However... My childhood urges resurfacing in CYRODIIL temples can get me pasted... Against the wall! By a demon...

So...

It just seems wierd you guys can't put a finger on the basic elements of TES like Politics or Religion...yet you know so much more than me. No offense...

But I ask again.. Just in case someone wants to try...U see the fundamentals and beliefs of christianity...Heaven or Hell

Bhuddism has Reincarnation and finding... Umm.... That state of.... Whatever you call it. They have aura reading...

Satanic people just... want to go to hell... And I'm guessing by the majority of you guys avatars you guys can relate? Not cool but anyway...

Mythology has the underworld of the dead... But I'm guessing they can go to... Some kinda paradise... Also
Believing in the planets having characteristics... BTW how did they worship planets with representations of Dieties... way back then when there weren't even telescopes??

Here though... In the home of folklore (it would seem...) LOOK I found elves!... People!... Dwemer!... Dragons!.... A couple I didn't know existed like argonians! Orcs hung in there and made the cut..

But...They kinda share this...religion... Polytheism... Aedra and Deadra... Half the people love the deadra more than the aedra. No speak of heaven or hell.

And I just wanted to put a finger on their beliefs... I guess I can find out in the game if you guys say so... But I'm quite sure the knowledge for this stuff can be found in other places you know?

Im not on good terms whit satanism. But i know for a fact that the lifestyle strongly reflects my own Asatru Views from Norse Mythology wich is a big part of my storyline in real life as well. And it has nothing to do whit going to hell and demon worshiping. Its more about accepting the natural part of a human being. Wich contradicts alot of the abrahamic religions(Hence the belief that satanism is the bad guy and the abrahamic religions has done nothing wrong). You write some interresting things but i just had to quote your view on satanism. It was way too close minded.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:02 pm

Yeah but it seems you embrace... The negative polar end of the abrahamic religion in such a sense. Why not just create a new religion why does your BRAND have to be negative in classification? It would seem a religion which embraces freedom from guilt of natural habits be a GREAT start... But to take the enemy of a Positive and Righteous God and embrace THAT diety is where SIN comes in... If you ask me... Because it seems you share some of the thinking of Christianity. Have a good one its Sunday...

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:21 pm

please direct this topic back onto Tamriel religions, since this whole thing is illegal and stuff.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:25 pm

please direct this topic back onto Tamriel religions, since this whole thing is illegal and stuff.

Agreed.

And, ZenithSpirit, you really need to make your posts more coherent, and you could use some brushing up on your grammar. If English is not your first language, you should reread what you typed. I'm finding it really difficult to follow anything you say, and I'm really finding it hard to give you an adequate answer.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:00 pm

Oh did I do something? Good gracious its like I'm always standing out... Carry on...

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:49 pm

I don't usually play forum mod, but...

Oh did I do something? Good gracious its like I'm always standing out... Carry on...

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Yes. Yes you did.
People have been trying to give you information throughout this whole thread, and you're just throwing "Well you look like you worship satan!" at them.

Psst... satanists do not worship Satan... google that.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:56 pm

Thread over due to contempt for forum rules.