Is there any inspirations from the Odyssey?

Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:41 am

So is there any inspirations from the Odyssey in the ES universe?
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Emma louise Wendelk
 
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:28 pm

Not really. There is some general Greek mythology influence if you look, but that's a bit close to trying to find order where it doesn't exist.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:42 pm

Maybe Azura was somewhat inspired by Athena?
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:41 pm

So is there any inspirations from the Odyssey in the ES universe?


the monomyth, in the sense of the hero's journey, sure
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:04 pm

Maybe Azura was somewhat inspired by Athena?

Pft, I doubt it. Azura is not a battle goddess, not a virgin (well, that's not really applicable to Daedric Princes in the first place), and not particularly wise (just has insider info). And she didn't srout full grown from a parent's forehead. The greek gods were made in the image of man, plus some kinky fetishes and super powers.

As for influences from the Odyssey? Nope, none that I can tell. The "wandering hero" with guidance from a supernatural being is an archetype found in many ancient culture's stories/mythologies/legends - e.g. Gilgamesh.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:09 am

Pft, I doubt it. Azura is not a battle goddess, not a virgin (well, that's not really applicable to Daedric Princes in the first place), and not particularly wise (just has insider info). And she didn't srout full grown from a parent's forehead. The greek gods were made in the image of man, plus some kinky fetishes and super powers.

As for influences from the Odyssey? Nope, none that I can tell. The "wandering hero" with guidance from a supernatural being is an archetype found in many ancient culture's stories/mythologies/legends - e.g. Gilgamesh.

Except in Odysseus' case, he was pretty much being punished, it was a scheme for Posiden to be gain some territory where people can worship him (mountains), and give Odysseus Klatos or better known as his own epic tale and honor or something like that.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:55 pm

What about when the player goes into Oblivion, but that couldn't really correlate between Hades, more like Hercules if anything.
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Post » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:01 am

Pft, I doubt it. Azura is not a battle goddess, not a virgin (well, that's not really applicable to Daedric Princes in the first place), and not particularly wise (just has insider info). And she didn't srout full grown from a parent's forehead. The greek gods were made in the image of man, plus some kinky fetishes and super powers.


Azura and the Nerevarine seem to have a relationship similar to that of Athena and Ulysses.
I always interpreted the entire main quest of Morrowind as setup by Azura-pura.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:46 pm

What about when the player goes into Oblivion, but that couldn't really correlate between Hades, more like Hercules if anything.

That feels like you are trying way too hard to find something that just isn't there.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:48 pm

That feels like you are trying way too hard to find something that just isn't there.


Nonsense, everybody knows that when Odysseus returned to Ithaca he find his wife had gone mad with power and killed Odysseus' brother and he subsequently killed her with his newly-forged sword.

Try and tell me that never happened.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:26 pm

What about when the player goes into Oblivion, but that couldn't really correlate between Hades, more like Hercules if anything.

Oblivion isn't the land of the dead. Many, many myths/legends from cultures all over the world involve traveling to an Underworld (realm of the dead) to bring back a loved one.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:20 pm

Maybe Azura was somewhat inspired by Athena?

Azura reminds me a lot of Hera, to be honest. All classical gods are petty and jealous to some degree, but those two seem to match up in my mind. They pick a champion (for revenge among other reasons - Hera against Zeus, Azura against the Tribunal) and use them as pawns in their quest to get back on top of the pile, or prove a point, or whatever.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:27 pm

Azura is more like a virgin than a matron (at least she looks that way in Morrowind), she's not Lesbionic (but then I played as a male) so she can't be Diana and she's the Anticipation of a technology guy.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:06 pm

Nonsense, everybody knows that when Odysseus returned to Ithaca he find his wife had gone mad with power and killed Odysseus' brother and he subsequently killed her with his newly-forged sword.

Try and tell me that never happened.

That's not how I remember it. IIRC, it was Odysseus' son who had enough of his mother's suitors living on his father's fortune and wiped the suitors out. I'll discuss it with my m8, he's big on ancient greek mythology and Homerus' work.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:57 pm

I think it was irony (Neravarine with his newly remade blade killing Almalexia after she dispatched Sotha Sil) to highlight the differences rather than wrong memory about the Odissey.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:17 pm

That's not how I remember it. IIRC, it was Odysseus' son who had enough of his mother's suitors living on his father's fortune and wiped the suitors out. I'll discuss it with my m8, he's big on ancient greek mythology and Homerus' work.


I think Lustidrike was pulling your leg :whisper:

Anyway, in Homer's telling, it was Odysseus who killed most of the suitors, including the first two. Telemachus, who had earlier been unable to stand up to the suitors, then joined the fight.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:26 pm

I think Lustidrike was pulling your leg :whisper:

Anyway, in Homer's telling, it was Odysseus who killed most of the suitors, including the first two. Telemachus, who had earlier been unable to stand up to the suitors, then joined the fight.

And don't forget he made all the maids, save for 1 or 2 and the ancient one, bury and clean up the whole mess, then killed them all one by one because they weren't faithful to their king and his family. Ancient Greeks did not BS around.
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Post » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:03 pm

Topal the Pilot's voyage, maybe? A strange, ship-bound adventure and journey home. Although that's hardly unique to The Odyssey.
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