Redguard was set in the Second Era, and (to be fair, I've only seen videos of the game on Youtube) it's pretty much as advanced as the 3rd and 4th Eras.

So... I don't see any major technological advancements happening, especially since anyone who tries to make new technology ends up dead (the Dwemer and Sotha Sil, for example). I smell a conspiracy!

Thankfully, advancement isn't only measured by technologic feats. Perhaps the world will choose to advance in technology if belief in magic disipates, like what resulted in the fifth era letter. Could Nirn lose its magic and still be Nirn?

No. That's the definition of Nirn.

That definition can change, can't it?

Not in this case. Nirn and magic are so intrinsic in nature as to be inseparable.

One modern comodity that may become present in "modern Nirn" however could be plumbing and more advanced sewage/running water. This could bring in increased bathing/designated bathroom lines that dump human(oid) wastes into the nearest body of water. Sure illusion magic can do a lot for the rich who can afford their own wizard or magicians capable in those arts, but if the middle class expands, which is a possibility, a system of hygeine could become a social necessity. public water could become available, and social-based technology could expand out of that. I have heard in-game talk of aqueducts (sorry, I don't have a source), but that's about it for public water and sewage. I have yet to hear of a spell that makes excrement disappear, or any form of water-conjuring/manipulation (other than frost).

Hmm... I do remember hearing about battlemages conjuring drinking water, I think it was the book about the Ionith (sp?) invasion into Akavir... I'll see if I can find it.

Here we go


-Disaster at Ionith

There is no evidence that the inhabitants of Nirn (plant, animal, man, or mer) produce any sort of bodily waste. Yes, there is no mention of a magic spell to get rid of such substances, but there is also no evidence that such substances even exist. Such life forms may be incomprehensible to us, but it is a different reality after all. I admit that this is a stretch, but if it is so, and if real life science applies, nitrates might be far, far harder to come by.

unless mentioned otherwise, its pretty safe to assume that anologous items in the TES world behave like they do in real life. its never mentioned that they dont produce waste, so its safe to assume that they do. lack of bathrooms in game is a game limitation, and really, do you want to hear about bodily functions in books? everything produces some sort of waste, its just how life works.

also, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/feyfolken.shtmlis a canonical curse word (sorry for by-passing the sensor, its lore :shrug:)

about guns: First of all, Sentinel has cannons.
Second of all: the dwemer had sachel packs. wether made of black powder or any othr exploseve, you can channel the explosive energy down a barrel and force a bullet out of it. The dwemer actually had the technology to make guns
Third of all: The cenurion archer. there is no bow string: it shoots darts straight at you

Also, The Mythic Era was filled with tecnologies, but in the first era much was forgotten. the Dwemer didn't disover, they rembered. that's why they are deep ones.

the canons of sentinel was a single mention in a daggerfall book of jokes - hardly the most concrete lore reference. as for the dwemer, the explosions could have been caused by the shifting tonalities of space-time bending inwards on themselves and being rendered solid before remembering what and where they were supposed to be. try fitting that into the barrel of a gun.

the question, ultimately, is not "can they make guns?" but "would they make guns?" to me, the answer is no. magic is vastly superior to any gun, and there is no point in developing what is ultimately a inferior technology.

i am digging the mythic era line however, though i would refer to what was lost more generally as "knowledge" as opposed to technology.

yes... distortions of space-time is way more likely than a simple combustion reaction...



The same reason anything of inferior quality is made anywhere, its cheap. It would be way cheaper to mass produce firearms than to train a bunch of mages to hurl fireballs.

Willing suspension of disbelief, heard of it?

Thread closed due to bickering.