Well, to get to the point, it seems that for one reason or another, Oblivion tends to be crashing when Streamline makes a Streamsave. Upon loading that Streamsave, it either gives me an "None of the Master Files for this save game are loaded", or, on some occasions, a corrupt save game. I decided to try moving Streamline back down to the bottom of the list and managed to get one streamsave off in an interior cell after combat ended, but then after ending combat in an exterior cell, when the Streamsave saved, that game crashed, and the save is un-loadable. I am EXTREMELY reluctant to part with Streamline for obvious reasons, and until recently it worked perfectly fine. However, there are a bunch of persistant bugs on my save game that may or may not have anything to do with it. #1: I use both OOO and Curse of Hircine. Now, this leads to my first persistant bug because the second time I transformed, I was wearing the full Dread Armor set. For one reason or another, after checking my "Constant Effects" tab, I noticed that I still had some of the "Dread Visage" effects. I had the all the buff effects, but oddly enough the Drain Personality and Drain Luck effects were missing. In the morning, after re-equiping the Armor, I realized that I could longer wield Icxth, despite the fact I was wearing the full set. I then realized I couldn't use Icxth if I had any of the pieces equipped in any combination. I made my own work-around in which I equipped Icxth, and then equipped the Dread Armor. I'm not sure if this bug could cause any long-term bad affects (such as this one), so I just decided to throw it up there. Also, the Dread Visage buffs are now permanetely added to my character. #2: I also use LTD's Vampire Overhaul. (Yes. I am a Vampire-Werewolf.) Because I chose the Steed as my birthsign, not only was I able to negate the "Exhaustion" effect of Prophic Hemophilia, but was actually able to totally trump it and still gain fatigue at a high rate. Even when I attempted to run around in circles constantly jumping and attacking, I was not able to get my fatigue to completely get to zero. Eventually, I just slept for awhile and when I woke up, I was a Vampire. I thusly still have the exhaustion effect attached to my character, and am not sure what effects this may have on my game.

Here's my load order:

Oblivion.esmHorseCombatMaster.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmUnnecessaryViolence.esmOOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.espOOO-Potions.espOOO-BirthSigns.espOOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.espOOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.espOOO-Dangerous_Traps.espOOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.espOOO-Magic_Game_Settings.espOOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.espOOO-Deadly_Combat.espOOO-DLT_Immersion.espcidnothump.espKnights.espCurseOfHircine.espDLCShiveringIsles.espTML_Real-time.espLiving Economy - Items.espLiving Economy.espWayshrineMapMarkers.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espOOO-Respawn_Week.espOOO-Water_Weeds.espAlternative Start by Robert Evrae.espPowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.espUnnecessaryViolence.espUV Vanilla Quest Fixes.espLTDVampireOverhaul.espMore_and_cheap_training-8523.espChameleon-NoRefraction-2411.espRealisticHealth.espRealisticFatigue.espDeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espRenGuardOverhaul.espDuke Patricks - Basic Hypothermia.espSupremeMagicka.espSM_ShiveringIsles.espSM_Scrolls.espSM_SigilStone.espSM_EnchantStaff.espSM_OOO.espSM_UnlockSpells.espSM_DeadlyReflex.espStreamline 3.1.esp

I guess I should also mention I probably have an odd install of OOO. Originally, after awhile, I realized I had actually DLed the wrong file, as some things weren't working correctly (It was the manual version. What wasn't working right was the fact the containers weren't "opening"). I then downloaded... the wrong .exe. (It was just the patch, not the full. Whoops ) I had already installed it, and immediately noticed my mistake. I then FINALLY installed the correct version, and then played Oblivion, without making a clean save. This was however on a different character, so I think it's ok. This is also why I have all the OOO addon files in my load order, as I'm pretty sure the .exe full only makes the .esm. I'm not sure what odd long-term effects this can create, so I decided to throw it out there. Any help/advice is greatly appriciated.

Is this sorted with BOSS? I think it may be that Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp is loaded after all the addons (I might be wrong but it can't hurt to try).

No, I've never used BOSS, because quite frankly, it's never seemed nessicary. I guess I'll give it a try, though I'm not sure how OOO would screw with Streamline. On another note, the specific person I've been fighting with (and subsequently crashing after I kill him) is that guy outside the Leyawiin North (?) gate. (The Legion guy that you talk to to start that Skooma quest.) This time I just tried running, but after he lost me and it Streamsaved it still crashed. ;/


Edit: Moved the main OOO ESP to right underneath Streamline; still crashed on SS. Atleast if the saves were corrupted I would atleast have a clue as to what was causeing it, but as it usually shows a "None of the Master Files for (in?) this save are loaded. Returning to game." I have no idea. Also, does it help to say that OBMM asks me about moving files back from the virtual store? I would try that and see if it works, but whenever I click "Yes" I just get a bunch of Windows error messages and then a "Oblivion Mod manager is not responding", at which point I elect to "End Now". Also, I am running Windows 7 as an administrator.

well you should probably get BOSS and wrye bash while you're at it. Trust me it will save you alot of trouble. In the mean time all I can advise is uninstalling streamline doing a clean save and reinstalling. Are you using the patched 3.1 version of streamline?

edit: you should pick up the unnofficial oblivion patch to.

Yeah, I actually did have it installed, but I realized that in all that time I forgot to check the box :facepalm:

Edit: Also yes, I'm pretty sure I'm using V3.1 of SL, atleast OBMM says it is.

Not just streamline 3.1 but the patched version? Just making sure.

What box did you forget to check? I'm confused.

The Un-official Oblivion Patch.

Also, just re-installed SL and the patch, so I'll try again then.

Edit: I'm not entirely sure If I installed the patch right. I just kind'a put the ESP that was in the Performance folder in my Data folder and checked it. The file from TesNexus just had a performance and debug version folder. Also, when I then played Oblivion, it wasn't even Streamsaving. Did I do it wrong, or is the "patch" not the latest version?

1. If I am fight about your game being played without Bashed Patch and using overhaul (OOO) - forget about playing. Won't happen.
2. You are playing OOO-light version and I know for sure that the latest 1.34 beta 5 is supporting full version only. In other words your OOO is not up to scratch.
Think about it. Install 1.33 full; top it up with the pyffied meshes from nexus. Top up with 1.34 beta5. Top up its meshes with the pyffied from nexus.
Use full version only, anyway, half of your load order are optional files from OOO lite and they are all redundant if you go for full version.
3. By all means install UOP 3.2.0 and top it up with UOP Supplemental 3.2.10
4. KOTN runs so much smoother if you use UOMP 1.5 patch created for it. And Corepc's update.
5 Living Economy is bugged and inefficient compared to Enhanced Economy. Go for it - new generation smooth running.
6. About Streamsave - I think you've installed it correctly - 3.1 does not run without the patch. From your ini set Save on travel, waith on change exterior/interior to 0

If using the latest Streamline release I'm pretty certain that the issue isn't connected to the Streamsaves in themselves, but that it's rather a symptom of faulty load order or installs. That is, the cause of the issue in all probability lies elsewhere. I've used Streamsaves for years and have had one single CTD - when it tried to save during the Gatekeeper creation ritual in SI. It basically makes a purge and then makes a save - it's nothing unusual with its saves. That said, I have all "save during combat" etc. options turned off, so it basically saves each 10 minutes (or as soon as the circumstances allow it) and nothing else.

1. I'm pretty sure that despite the fact I'm not using a "bashed patch" on OOO isn't making any difference: I'm sure if there was a problem with that it would've happened before I hit 80 + hours of gameplay on that save. I am also not using the lite version, it's just that I had accidentatly installed the manual version, had some things not work correctly, then I installed the .exe full version. Though I guess I may wanna update.
3. Already did.
4. Alrighty...
5. I guess I'll give it a shot.
6. I think I'll screw some settings then.

You should use wrye bash and the bashed patch anyway if you plan on using mods like OOO, it's practically a requirement and just because you can't see the problems even after 80+ hrs of gameplay doesn't mean they aren't there. Plus it will make things alot easier if you plan on adding more mods to the list later on. Have you sorted it with BOSS yet? That's also a good idea with overhauls.

Try this page it tells you some proper ini tweaks that will make SL more stabe http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/streamline.

Should note that BASH is NOT a requirement of OOO. Of course, there is no reason *not* to use BASH (i.e. you really, really should, it will make your life much easier in the long run. It also makes you at least twice more attractive to the opposite six due to the large amount of monkey pheromones infused in its inner workings). Additionally, you need to sort via BOSS.

Finally, and I'm just going off of what I (may erroneously) remember, but it was not recommended to have Streamsaves enabled after fights, something about stability.

I didn't say it was a requirement I said practically a requirement because as I said before it will just make things easier when you want to add more mods in later.
Also the link I posted goes to a page that details tweaking the SL ini for the reason you mentioned and more.

Yep, I'm quite familiar with her work, just repeating what you said, with the exception of clarifying your remarks on the necessity of Wrye Bash. You can play with OOO perfectly fine without Bash Regardless, we should all be using Wrye Bash anyway because it makes troubleshooting so much easier, OP load order needs to be updated regardless showing the proper changes and preferably using the Bash load order (i.e. with version numbers).

Ok I was just clarifying on your clarification that I didn't say it was a requirement well now that I've fully derailed the thread have any of these fixes work for you Zango?

SL.ini Setup Page (on current site) - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=streamline_ini_setup

Streamline link and instructions - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=stabilization_and_optimization_mods#Streamline <-- Make sure you install the 3.1b patch after 3.1


Edit: Is that mod list okay for you? What is the game's stability like without Streamline?

It has worked fine for me for awhile, and I now I'm pretty confident in saying it's not Streamline itself now: When I disable SL and after killing that guy outside the Leyawiin gate, when I quick-saved it also crashed with the effect. Oddly enough, I also got the same effect after fighting two legion soldiers nearby. It may be that for one reason or another, my Guard/Legion faction got bugged somehow, though I'm not sure how it would cause something like this. Also, BOSS isn't working for me properly. I am getting one of the errors in the troubleshooting section, but even after giving BATCH full permissions to my oblivion folder, it still won't work properly. I'm also pretty confident in saying that this issue is isolated to just this save game, though I guess I'll try to fight a guard on another save game and see what happens.

What version of OOO are you using, and do you have the DR5 hotfix? What is the problem you are having with BOSS?

I just updated OOO to the latest; I think it's 1.34 Beta or something. And, I'm... well huh, I guess I don't have the hotfix. Well, I guess I'll get that. I never even noticed it there all the way at the bottom of the files section. And the problem I'm having with BOSS is the "Won't Change load order and generating a blank text file: OS is Windows 7:

Give group or users name: BATCH controls of the Oblivion folder" issue, as explained in the troubleshooting part of the readme. I added BATCH to have full control of the Oblivion folder but the problem still persists.

Flag the BOSS.exe to 'Run as Administrator' under Compatibility.

Still nothing, but thanks anyways. I also DLed the hotfix, but that also didn't seem to help. Also, I fought and killed two guards in another save and when it SSed it was fine, so I guess it's an issue with that specific save game.

EDIT: Not sure if this helps or not, but I was experiencing a similiar problem with the one of the Kvinchials. (Not sure which one because it crashed when it ended anyways)

Where do you have the game installed?

The Default directory; :C/ Program Files/ Bethesda Softworks/ Oblivion. I know in the troubleshooting, it said to move install it somewhere else, but that was for Vista, not Windows 7.

EDIT: Guess what? It magicially fixed itself somehow! Yay! When I tried to load the SS that crashed last night, it actually loaded and just to make sure I quicksaved, and it didn't crash or anything. Amazing what a good nights sleep can do.

It applies to Windows 7 as well. To simplify things, you really shouldn't have it installed to the default directory, the newer versions of Windows do not play nice. You really need to install it to a C:\Games directory (or another hard drive, or whichever directory you prefer), NOT to program files.

You will have other issues as well. You've been given multiple tips, and so far you only seem to be following some of them. If you really want this troubleshooted, and not rely on a "hey guys, it miraculously worked the following morning", ya gotta follow through