Well that's one of the main goals of Necromancy, so yeah, it's supported by lore.

In the Pilgrim's Path (i think) under the story for Vivec's ash mask it states there that Vivec resurrected his followers after they were all killed by ash suffocation. But then again, this might just be pro-Tribunal propaganda.

You'd just need to be a power-hungry, murdering, trans-genderal bastard to do it.

So we need Dr. Frank-N-Furter?

Well that's one of the main goals of Necromancy, so yeah, it's supported by lore.

Yes, but the closest you'll ever get is a zombie or perhaps a spirit.

There's precedent. Azura reincarnated Nerevar Indoril into the Nerevarine (the PC of Morrowind). That's stuffing the soul of someone into a new body. However, I'd imagine that it'd require having the soul of the person you're using, and the stupid amounts of power at the disposal of a Daedra Lord.

And also, there is, as mentioned, Necromancy. Some of their super-advanced spells do things LIKE that. Like the "King of Worms' " staff. So, yeah. There's precedent, even if you do have to mush the lore a tiny bit.

I haven't seen much in Tamriel, but I know of two examples in the Shivering Isles. Relmyna Verenim mentioned reviving both living and undead subjects. In addition, Clanfather Malifant envisioned and had built a device that combines a weak shock spell with a strong Restoration spell to resurrect/revive him when he was killed. It apparently took a few days to recharge, but it still worked on him even if he had been dead for the duration of the device's recharging (meaning he got killed just as he was revived).

In the Pilgrim's Path (i think) under the story for Vivec's ash mask it states there that Vivec resurrected his followers after they were all killed by ash suffocation. But then again, this might just be pro-Tribunal propaganda.

Vivec was a powerful god in his prime, which was around those times when you do the pilgrim's path because the Tribunal were able to refresh their power.

But there's still the act of resurrection. Which means the idea isn't totally unfeasable. You'd just need to be a power-hungry, murdering, trans-genderal bastard to do it.

Another example is Molag Bal's quest in Oblivion where he resurrects you after you are killed by Melus Petilius.

Ressurection makes sense, but It would either have to be from an daedric artifact or daedric quest reward, (Merida, god of the forces of life) Or perhaps Aedric, (Zenithar, I THINK is the god of barial rights) Without that, it would just take a [censored]LOAD of magica, 100 Intelligence, Conjuration, Restoration, and Mysticism.

Arkay, btw, as in Arkay, the Enemy of Necromancers. Zenithar is about justice.

But who really cares about such minutiae?

Vivec was a powerful god in his prime, which was around those times when you do the pilgrim's path because the Tribunal were able to refresh their power.

However you might want to look at the writings on the Greensleeve? That could be described as a giant resurrection machine. B ut we refer to it more as a natual/mystical process with a wonam completing the process so maybe what happened was that the 'Gods' short-circuited the whole process.

Thanks for the info.



What's the Greensleeve? :unsure:

If I'm not mistaken if you are looking at what happens after death. To know that, you have to know what a soul is.

* We know that Arkay governs the souls.
* We know that Dunmer can call their ancestors back.
* We know that Necromancers do the same.
* We know that everything alive and contious has a soul, including the Daedra wich arn't from Nirn.
* We know that souls can be trapped in a gem when they die.
* We know that Nords go to Snovegarde when they die.


From all that I think that the "soul" is just a conection to this world. On one end attached to something physical, such as the body, a soul gem, a skeleton or some ectoplasm. The other end attached to either something in Oblivion or something in Mundus. On death you are disconnected from Mundus and either trown back to Oblivion or connected to Arkay, waiting till you can be reincarnated.

There seems to be a difference between what Souls were in Morrowind in Oblivion. Were in the litterature from Morrowind you actually were trapping a souls, replacing it's body with the soulgem. In Oblivion it would apear thatyou are merely svcking up some Creatia (mythic energy) from a person.

Souls typically act like anchorchain between some place and the body. The body anchors the the chain to the world. When it's destroyed, the chain slips back into where it came from. This can best be observed with the Daedra and Gods who merely have to recreate their anchor to return.

Mehrunes Dagon

WHAT?! Why, you arrogant little bug. You think you can svck the power from me and cast me into Oblivion? Well, it is not so simple as that. So long as my power is anchored to this world, I can resist the outflow of my magica. If not forever, then certainly long enough to blast you and your incantation into component syllables. And consider, fool. No mortal weapon ever forged has the power to sever my anchor to this realm.



Mehrunes Dagon spelled it out for us.

When mortals die they are not able to recreate their anchor so easilly so they go somewhere else. This can be a soulgem, a soulsnare or if you are lucky your respective afterlife. Often this is considerd to be Aetherius or similair concept. However most noteably is Sovngarde, which means as much as "sleepers armcover", better known as the Dream-Sleeve.

The Dream-Sleeve is understood to be the shrizophrenic collective contious of the world. The afterlife you craft out is one long dream in which you'll slowly forget yourselves. Vivec mentions that his death is like sleeping, so it could be assumed that he to goes to the dreamsleeve but

does not lose his identity to the shrizophrenia like the ordinary souls.

Arkay is the God of the cycle of life and death. We're born from the dreamsleeve and return to it on death in an endless cycle that is always new.

Birth:

We mortals leave the dreaming-sleeve of birth the same, unmantled save for the symbiosis with our mothers, thus to practice and thus to rapprochement, until finally we might through new eyes leave our hearths without need or fear that she remains behind. In this moment we destroy her forever and enter the demesne of Lord Dagon. - Mythic Dawn Commentaries


Mortals leave the dreaming-sleeve of birth, without any divinity (unmantled) safe for the symbiosis with the special divinity of Nirn (our mother, Mankar wan't to destroy Nirn).

The powers also created Red Tower and the First Stone. This allowed the Mundus to exist without the full presence of the divine. In this way, the powers of Ada-mantia granted the Mundus a special kind of divinity, which is called NIRN, the consequence of variable fate. - Nu-Mantia Intercept


This special divinity comes back in the intercept, Red Mountain (tower) holds Lorkhan's Heart (stone). Lorkhan's heart is also called the divine spark, our shared divinity. As such, we already much like the Daedra, we're separate parts of a larger divinity.

Death:

When people from different cultures all believe in an afterlife and all seem to get exactly what they expect, it is reasonable to assume that their experiences are influenced by their expectations. The Nords believe they go to a place called Sovngarde which can be translated as to a meaning that means as much as the Dreamsleeve, the sleep-enclosure. So we're already back the start.

"The echo of the Void is Oblivion. The echo of Oblivion is now mortal death. Death results in reappropriation of spirit towards its aligned AE either to the god-planet Aedra or the Principalities of Oblivion. Vehks name for this transaction, mentioned above, is “lunar currency." - Loveletter from the Fifth Era


This shouldn't be read as some Heaven and Hell afterlife were people who've done enough bad things end up in Oblivion. The AE literally is a connector and in the sermons it is often used as: "AYEM AE VEHK AE SETH", Almelexia and Vivec and Sotha Sil, Almsivi.

This connection is the soul. Normally, when a person is killed he experiences afterlife, when a Daedra is slain he experiences the void. A soul trap can force the soul to remain connected to a soulgem and a Necromancer can call back souls and force them to animate a body again.
Ghosts can return out of their free will if they have something that binds them, but often you'll see that they've already started to disintegrate and are starting to lose their memories and thoughts while they're being mangled and stripped from their identity in the dreamsleeve.

As I've already shown above, mortals are born from the dreamsleeve, it's their to their divinity so their allinged AE goes to Mundus and while the God planets of the Aedra are often interpreted as Aetherius, they are part of Mundus, they are the gift limbs.

It's also what allows Mankar Camoran to pick up his followers in his Paradise, they've given up Mundus ("destroy her forever") and become part of Mehrunes Dagon ("enter the demesne of Lord Dagon")

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For more:

What are souls post #3
Sovngard/Oblivion
Dreamsleeve

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If you take a hundred thousand million drops of water, don't you have a a single lake? Or if you have one lake, don't you also have a hundred thousand million drops of water?
If there is One, Nine, or Eighty-One it doesn't make a difference because it's only a different way from looking at it and what you see depends on what you think you see. The Imperial gods reflect the imperial idea's and views as high and divine kings, the Nordic gods are more warriors, examples for the Nords, the Redgaurd gods are useful, ect.

The identity of mortals is destroyed, after all Lorkhan "yearned for the return to flux", a period of time from before Akatosh when the gods still could die, "but at the same time he could not bear to lose his identity", showing that even in death not everything is lost.
People and gods can live on in myths, in the minds of many people who all dedicate a small part to him. No different from how Tamriel exists in our minds, one place in a thousand locations.

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Sovngarde/Oblivion about how souls/afterlife works.
Dreamsleeve about what the dreamsleeve is.

He's talking about the Dreamsleeve. It's allot like the way the Daedra are reborn from the waters of Oblivion, but without the terror of death and at the cost/benefit of losing all your memories.

Don't have time to tap it all out. Just my notes:

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Thanks. Very interesting.

No one truly ever dies. They go to the dreamsleeve and get a new body They've got no memory of their previous life. So when you kill someone in any TES game, watch out that could've been your (sister, brother, mother, father, aunt, uncle, grandpa, grandma, lover?) in a past life.