Hi,

I know that Skyrim has a few of the highest mountains in Tamriel, but IS High Hrothgar, the "Throat of the World" the highest mountain?

This [Hrothgaar] is the highest mountain in Skyrim, and the highest in Tamriel aside from Vvardenfell in Morrowind.

The land of Skyrim is the most rugged on the continent, containing four of the five highest peaks in Tamriel (see Places of Note: Throat of the World). Only in the west do the mountains abate to the canyons and mesas of the Reach, by far the most cosmopolitan of the Holds of Skyrim, Nords of the pure blood holding only the barest majority according to the recent Imperial Census. The rest of Skyrim is a vertical world: the high ridges of the northwest-to-southeast slanting mountain ranges, cleft by deep, narrow valleys where most of the population resides. Along the sides of the river valleys, sturdy Nord farmers raise a wide variety of crops; wheat flourishes in the relatively temperate river bottoms, while only the snowberry bushes can survive in the high orchards near the treeline. The original Nord settlements were generally established on rocky crags overlooking a river valley; many of these villages still survive in the more isolated Holds, especially along the Morrowind frontier. In most of Skyrim, however, this defensive posture was deemed unnecessary by the mid-first era, and most cities and towns today lie on the valley floors, in some cases still overlooked by the picturesque ruins of the earlier settlement.
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge/skyrim.shtml

Vvardenfell was itself a mountain, and second highest, so yeah. Hrothgaar's missing its lid and its still beastly. First and second place belong to Skyrim alone.

I thought mesas and cosmopolitan were noteworthy. I quoted the whole paragraph because this Skyrim is cool, and I'd like to see it. You should read the rest for yourself, anyway.

Wrong way around. This [Throat of the World] is the highest mountain in Skyrim, and the highest in Tamriel aside from Vvardenfell in Morrowind. Red Mountain/Vvardenfell is higher.

What makes you think that?

18835 Game Height couldn't be the highest mountain in Tamriel if game height 37500 is possible

All clear now?

mt.everest is the highest mountain on earth, even though its possible to have one thats higher. in the end its just a gameplay thing.

I havn't read it yet, but if you are right, let me say that we break with the lore in that point...game height 18835 isn't the highest mountain in my eyes, it's a small one.

Our Jerall Mountains, Dragontail Mountains and Velothi Mountains are between 20000-25000 game height and Hrothgar will be around 30000...18835 is a joke

thats game height, which has no relevance what so ever on actual height. all of cyrodiil having only 1k people is a bit of a joke too, as is the fact that the city of ald ruhn has like 20 houses.

That's true, game height and populaion is not always respective to lore...I often felt a little disturbed when I walked through Vvardenfel and realized that all mountains are only higher hills.

But Skyrim is different: different fauna, different flora and MUCH higher Mountains.

I like to say "Thank you" to the people in the Elder Scrolls Lore Section - you were always a great help in any question about lore.

If you wanna check the first video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF-ipsqQV4

Daggerfal had two bytes elevations, one byte level and one byte for a noise mask for a total 65536 distinct elevation levels. The Dragon Tail Mountains then are some where around 60k units high.

But now we are talking about game heights. From three different games that played out at completely different scales. Right? This shows that using information that is mostly related to the game itself for lore is a problem. So never mind that.

Generally because of reasons not related to lore at all, the mechanics, the game units and scales and representation of the world have changed between all the games. Because they're inconsistent between each game and not related to lore you can't draw any conclusion from them.
So basically you're best of ignoring the gameplay when it comes to lore and consider the games to be merely representations of an unseen reality.

That's what that means... Ah well, Hrothgaar's the highest now

Being "different" is irrelevant. Red Mountain is(or was) higher, that it wasn't awesome in 'Morrowind' doesn't matter at all, not even a little bit. That mountains were bigger in 'Oblivion' than they were in 'Morrowind' doesn't matter at all, again, not even a little bit. And even if in the next game they make the mountains so big that it takes you a real life month to sprint full speed from the bottom to the top, that mountain will still be shorter than Red Mountain for every purpose dealing with lore. In-game scales do not matter, at all, especially when the lore says that its wrong.

Sorry if that seemed harsh but you seem to be consistently missing the point that the number 18835 has absolutely no business outside the TES Construction Set Forum and holds zero credence in lore... :nod:

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haha, yeah, that's like going to Los Angeles, CA and seeing only 15 homes and 8 stores and it only takes you 1 hour to walk from one end to the other.

The throught of the world, Red mountain, and Direnni are the only natural towers, and all three of them are massive in height. Maybe the reason why the dragonfires failed was just because White-gold was so short?

Hrothgaar was enginseered by the Falmer.

On the map Red Mountain is a super volcano i.e. bigger than anything on Earth today. It's about as far across as Olympus Mons on Mars which is three times higher than Everest.

So, assuming that volcano heights vs areas work the same way on Nirn (a big assumption) Red Mountain probably dwarfs any other peak on Tamriel/Nirn.

nice spelling :goodjob:

but anyways, how? it's a mountain. you can't engineer a mountain.

....hmmm....isn't it the same that Lady Nerevar said a few posts before?...just ungracious and in many more words?

Sorry mate, I don't wanna be respectless but I can't leave such provocation which tells me that I am an idiot in the wrong forum without a reply.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#8
Aldmeris bore witness and built the remaining towers during the Merethic: White-Gold, Crystal-like-Law, Orichalc, Green-Sap, Walk-Brass, Snow Throat, and on and on...

people need to stop confusing gameplay with lore. Just as the size of the map is scaled down in Morrowind, I'd imagine so is the height of Red Mountain. It doesn't matter of the game mechanics don't reflect this, if lore says Red Mountain is the highest mountain in Tamriel, than it's the highest mountain in Tamriel. So it is with many things, gameplay mechanics and the lore revealed through books, dialog and the in-game storylines represent how things actually are in the world of Tamriel, whereas game mechanics are just the systems that the game uses to function, and there may be differences between both, whether due to technology or budget constraints, or because gameplay that reflected lore wouldn't be as fun or balanced in the case of some aspects, not to mention that the game mechanics, including things like the scale of the world, change between games, so all too often if one wants to look at what you see in the game, there are no consistent standards to compare between games.

Yes she said the same thing, and you disagreed with her on the grounds that Skyrim is 'different', which is what my response was to. B)

I didn't call you an idiot, but I did imply you were wrong. While that might technically be the same thing there is a difference: the former is meant to insult you, the latter is meant to make you aware of incorrect thinking since you can't be corrected without simultaneously being told that you're wrong. I pointed out that what you were using for the basis of your thought process is irrelevant, which it is - it's in no way a personal opinion of mine against you, just me stating facts which happen to prove you wrong.

And I didn't say you were on the wrong forum, the original question certainly should be in this forum. I said that the material which you were citing is of no relevance outside the TESCS and has nothing to do with lore. You're in the right forum, your information's not. :nod:

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Skyrim IS different to Vvardenfel.

When I talk about that, it means "Skyrim - Home of the Nords" has less in common with Vanilla Vardenfel...at this point it goes more and more in a mod discussion than a lore discussion...but (even if this is the wrong place) the landscape is much more detailed (800-2000 Objects per Cell) and also the mountains ARE mountains and no hills...even if the result is that High Hrothgaar is much higher than the Red Mountain (Cell Height). All textures are new and high res...tons of new models will be used...new houses, new trees for every region, new grass meshes and many more.

Different was never meant as different to lore...but different in the landscape.

We always tried to be as lore correct as possible...but for the height of the mountain I don't care anymore.

This thread makes no sense anymore, cause there are no open question related to lore than won't be answered yet.

All that left is a mod discussion and this forum isn't the right place for that.

Please could a moderator close this thread?

Then it seems we agree. Game-map heights don't matter between games so you're good to make it as high as you want. :icecream:

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