Dunmer's cursed appearance

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:29 pm

So Azura cursed the dunmer and changed them into what they are today but why? What I mean is it was seht, vehk, and alma that killed nerevar not the dunmer race so why did they get cursed and not the three?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:53 pm

So Azura cursed the dunmer and changed them into what they are today but why? What I mean is it was seht, vehk, and alma that killed nerevar not the dunmer race so why did they get cursed and not the three?

Because Azura is extremely petty.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:23 pm

So Azura cursed the dunmer and changed them into what they are today but why? What I mean is it was seht, vehk, and alma that killed nerevar not the dunmer race so why did they get cursed and not the three?


They're curse because Vehk defied Azura by using the Tools to become gods.

1. The Tribunual achieved Diety at this point and couldn't be affected by it.

2. Azura specifically curse the whole race and not them.

Realize that Vivec is "half cursed:" he is gold and blue.

And yes, I learned all this from in-game books.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:51 pm

Perhaps it is because the Dunmer willingly believed the tales woven by Alma, Seht and Vehk, and turned their worship away from Azura.

To insult a Daedric Prince, in this case worshipping other Mortals based on lies, is VERY unwise.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:22 pm

Or it could be because the Tribunal defied the oath Nerevar made to Azura about using the Tools. Which is what happened.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:37 pm

They're curse because Vehk defied Azura by using the Tools to become gods.

1. The Tribunual achieved Diety at this point and couldn't be affected by it.

2. Azura specifically curse the whole race and not them.

Realize that Vivec is "half cursed:" he is gold and blue.

And yes, I learned all this from in-game books.

why then curse the entire race? vehk as i recall chooses to appear as he does, if he wished he could appear not cursed at all probably.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:46 pm

Or it could be because the Tribunal defied the oath Nerevar made to Azura about using the Tools. Which is what happened.

I know but why did she curse the race. for example its like god cursing the germans but not hitler whats the logic.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:51 pm

And no sooner than we had completed our rituals and begun to discover our new-found powers, the Daedra Lord Azura appeared and cursed us for our foresworn oaths. By her powers of prophecy, she assured us that her champion, Nerevar, true to his oath, would return to punish us for our perfidy, and to make sure such profane knowledge might never again be used to mock and defy the will of the gods. But Sotha Sil said to her, "The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you."

And then, in that moment, all Chimer were changed into Dunmer, and our skins turned ashen and our eyes into fire. Of course, we only knew at that time that this had happened to us, but Azura said, "This is not my act, but your act. You have chosen your fate, and the fate of your people, and all the Dunmer shall share your fate, from now to the end of time. You think yourselves gods, but you are blind, and all is darkness." And Azura left us alone, in darkness, and we were all afraid, but we put on brave faces, and went forth from Red Mountain to build the new world of our dreams.
--http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/battle_redmountain.shtml

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:30 pm

At this point, the three of them were already gods, so Azura couldn't permenantly curse them. They were too strong for that. Why did she go after all the other Chimer? Because Daedra are [censored]s, that's why.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:45 am

Because Daedra are [censored]s, that's why.

Well said. :P
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:34 pm

why then curse the entire race? vehk as i recall chooses to appear as he does, if he wished he could appear not cursed at all probably.

Vehk, Seht, Ayem - they were the Dunmer's representatives of the race. It's like how in the past, sometimes battles were determined not by entire armies, but by a warrior from either side fighting. The result would then affect the entire populace. Same with armies - their battles determine the fate of the non-combatants. Vivec, Sotha Sil, and Almalexia and Nevervar were representatives of the Chimer. What they chose to do or not do would have consequences for the entire race. If Nerevar vowed that the Chimer would worship Azura, that oath also applied to every Chimer. It's much like politics - the promises of a single leader are transferred to the followers. Likewise, when the leader breaks the promise, all his/her subjects will bear the consequences.

After attaining their godhood, I would think the Tribunal would have the power to alter their appearance - by illusion or in actuality.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:46 pm

now that the Tribunal are dead and all the dunmer are shivering on solsthiem, what are the chances they'll revert to daedra worship and be changed back?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:27 pm

now that the Tribunal are dead and all the dunmer are shivering on solsthiem, what are the chances they'll revert to daedra worship and be changed back?

very unlikely for both.

I have a feeling that they may adopt a more nordish view, if you ask me, thanks to the nords of Solstheim.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:53 pm

This is a piece of Elder Scrolls lore that is new to me. The Dunmer were cursed? They don't look cursed. Their skin color and eye color is great.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:47 pm

This is a piece of Elder Scrolls lore that is new to me. The Dunmer were cursed? They don't look cursed. Their skin color is great.

Dunmer means cused-folk. They originally looked like the altmer, but after the events of red mountain, Azura cursed them to have grey skin and red eyes to make them look more ghoulish. They were in a great panic because of this, but Sotha Sil spoke to the dunmer and made them feel really proud of their new appearance.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 3:41 am

Dunmer means cused-folk. They originally looked like the altmer, but after the events of red mountain, Azura cursed them to have grey skin and red eyes to make them look more ghoulish. They were in a great panic because of this, but Sotha Sil spoke to the dunmer and made them feel really proud of their new appearance.

So, are they still geneticly the same as they used to be? What were they called before their change?

Even if they are cursed, I think they look pretty cool.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:03 am

So, are they still geneticly the same as they used to be? What were they called before their change?

Even if they are cursed, I think they look pretty cool.


They were the Chimer, or the "Changed Ones" if I recall. But that would only make sense if they were called Chimer in hindsight. I guess before than they were just Aldmer following their prophet east...
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:57 am

They were called Chimer before because they changed their religion from worshipping all ansestors eually to revering three "ansestors" above all thers, those being Azura, Malacath, and Molag Bal I believe. Note that later on the Altmer did the same this, so the only true Aldmer are Psijics.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:28 pm

So, aside from skin and eye color, the Dunmer are biologically identical to the Altmer? Why is Vivec considered a Chimer and not a Dunmer, or a mix? He is half-cursed, so why is it his Chimer side that labels him? Why is he only half-cursed anyway? How did that happen?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:03 pm

They were called Chimer before because they changed their religion from worshipping all ansestors eually to revering three "ansestors" above all thers, those being Azura, Malacath, and Molag Bal I believe. Note that later on the Altmer did the same this, so the only true Aldmer are Psijics.


If all ancestors = Auri-El, Trinimac, Magnus, Syrabane, Y'ffre, Xarxes, Mara, Stendarr, Lorkhan, and Phynaster, then yes.

@seti: apologies for the "half cursed" remark; only said tha because he's half gold and Dunmer skin tone. To be "two halves combined" is Vehk's nature. He wasn't cursed.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:09 pm

They were called Chimer before because they changed their religion from worshipping all ansestors eually to revering three "ansestors" above all thers, those being Azura, Malacath, and Molag Bal I believe. Note that later on the Altmer did the same this, so the only true Aldmer are Psijics.


Cool, I just learned something :) I always assumed that they were called Chimer because of the change in appearance, it's probably a pretty common mistake though.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 4:33 am

They were the Chimer, or the "Changed Ones" if I recall. But that would only make sense if they were called Chimer in hindsight. I guess before than they were just Aldmer following their prophet east...


They were called "changed ones" before because of the change in their hearts and minds. Boethiah, Mephala and Azura appeared to them as "good daedra" and taught them new secrets, forms of government and belief systems, and Veloth led them into exodus from Aldmeri culture.

edit: Don't Forget This was right about everything except the specific Daedra.

Molag Bal and Malacath are considered very bad entities by the Dunmer, and are part of the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/house_of_troubles.shtml.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 4:37 am

They were called "changed ones" before because of the change in their hearts and minds. Boethiah, Mephala and Azura appeared to them as "good daedra" and taught them new secrets, forms of government and belief systems, and Veloth led them into exodus from Aldmeri culture.

edit: Don't Forget This was right about everything except the specific Daedra.

Molag Bal and Malacath are considered very bad entities by the Dunmer, and are part of the http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/house_of_troubles.shtml.


Ya, I just new Azura and one of the ones that started with M
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