The same sun shines on Akavir that shines on Tamriel.

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He has a point. pre-electrical era Togo would bear no resmblance to Japan in the same time period.

no reason to answer in other than the mode that suits your own train of thoughts - it's that difference in approach that makes this interesting.

Your touching on the Daedric nature and the question of bound and unbound is especially good food for thought in this instance. If it is (as the Lore indicates) that Aedra 'must' be bound to specific continents then there may well be other Aedra on other continents - or an explanation as to how those continents could exist in whatever form they have might be required - thus the possibility of further Aedran 'Gods' being bound to those other landmasses or other forms of Deities we have yet to hear of. However it closes many options re revelations of further Daedric Princes.

Your answers provoke the further question then - please break my chain of thought down as you will: One has to ask whether the Aedran Deities (leaving out the Imperial shoe-ins and the like) and Daedoth are worshipped on other continents? Presumably not the Aedrans but possibly the Daedroths?

(edit: heh - if so for Aedra - then what of the Towers? Do other continents have them?)

Thus once again I am led to wonder if the Lore we have seen to date tells the whole creation story. And if the books are in fact written from the beliefs of individuals rather than fully representative of the actual sequence of creation and its links with Nirn.

Additionally we have histories to date of the doings of the gods as Tamiel-centric So the further question arises as to deeds = would a God or Daedra fail to mention major deeds or events on other continents to his devout followers?

And I am NOT going to discount the possibility of other continents being opened up in future releases - because what mystery you gain there might well be balanced by further revelations shrouded in mystery elsewhere.

Any reticence I might have about expressing a desire to see other areas done in detail is simply down to the possibility that they might not be done well - and not about whether they could be done well.

I hope you find this piecing together of long-cherished interests both useful and aposite - since I feel that the nature of CHIM is closely bound into them

And a very merry, baccanolian midwinter to you all!

1. The same sun shines on Akavir that shines on Tamriel, but if they're actually given any attention or not I can't say.

2. Not unless they're Mer. Tower building was strictly a Merish thing.

3. I'm sure they'd tell you if you asked, at the right price.

The Lore doesn't indicate that. Proweler's point wasn't that Akavir and Tamriel actually have different metaphysics. The very fact that Uriel V sailed to Akavir without turning into a newt upon reaching new metaphysical boundaries should be enough to prove this.

The cosmology is the same for all of Mundus, Akavir and Tamriel included, they might just focus on different things. They were not created in vacuums and then meshed together afterwards.

Then shall reurn to my study to ponder and deliberate upon just what you might mean by 'different things'.

Not sure if this question goes here, but the current discussion seems to have more or less ended. If I'm in the wrong place let me know:

What's the connection between the Dreamsleeve and the Wheel? Do the souls go to Aethirius, or to Arkay's plane? Because if I'm not mistaken they have to go somewhere, things don't just disappear in Tes (unless they zero sum).

And on top of that, does all the Dreamsleeve do recycle souls? I hear a lot of hints at other purposes for it, but I can't find any good texts on most stuff like this. If anyone has one I'd gladly accept that, I know people like you to figure things out yourself around here.

Thank you very much.

I don't mean anything in particular, simply pointing out that just because they're part of the same world doesn't mean that they view it in the same way or put emphasis on the same things (just like the different cultures of Tamriel).

I'm not sure on what terms you're asking, but if you mean what is the physical connection or relation between the Dreamsleeve and the Wheel then I'd hazard to say that there is none. The Wheel is a model, a model that doesn't include the Dreamsleeve (nor does/can any model). The Dreamsleeve has no literal form or location, like trying to find out where a thought in your mind is. Its the mind/soul/whatever of the world, it is ethereal.

Where souls go depends upon their beliefs, more specifically what bonds their beliefs place upon their souls.

The Dreamsleeve is part of the nature of the world, beyond even the gods - I think it's abit misleading to look for a certain purpose in it. Yes, it recycles souls, and yes, it can be used for other things such as dreamsleeve transmissions (ie, talking to one another psychically), but those are reflections upon the nature of the world not reflections on some purpose or design.

It can be used for various things, but those things are accomplished by exploiting the metaphysics of the world, not by some preconceived purpose that it is meant to fulfill.

I'm having a hard time putting that into words, is that clear at all?

Mhm, so the Dreamsleeve wasn't created by anyone? I meant the wheel as in Aurbis, not the model, but if it doesn't actually exist then I suppose it is a little silly to ask.

I thought the DS recycled souls while the mind of that soul experiences the afterlife as they expected it. Like how Nords go to Shor's hall (can't recall the name) while their souls are going through the DS, though taking from what I understood of the discussion about Dunmer ancestors they still somehow retain parts of their personality. So which is more accurate, that they are wiped clean or that they become fragmented yet still exist?

Reflections upon the nature of the world... Something to do with Anu and Padomay then? I suppose I won't understand that part until my other questions make sense.

Exploiting the metaphysics... Does it have something to do with magic then? I must admit I am a tad confused.

Somewhat, thanks for the response


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So mortal souls go to Nirn, or should we say, back to Nirn? So basically what you are saying is that it does, in fact, recycle souls? And there is no location for it then? So souls aren't connected to anything like magicka from Aethirius, they are something all of themselves?





BARBELiTH? Isn't that that dark side of the moon thing from the comic book? I read a link about it earlier, but didn't really get the Dreamsleeve any better because of it.


Thanks Proweler

1. None really.

2. That depends on the soul in question.



AE is Ehlnofex and used as a connector, eg: and. It means that Daedra go to Oblivion. Aedra to Aetherius. Mortals, are a bit more complicated.

We know each experiences their own afterlife. Aetherius for the Imperials, Sovngarde for the Nords, the Farshores for the Redgaurd and some sort of ancestral big brother installation for Mer. There are ofcourse exceptions where a Mortal signs away his soul to Daedra (eg: Umaril, Dagonites in Parasides) but we'll assume their aligned AE has changed.

However we also have Arkay, God of the cycle of life and death. This along with incarnation implies that any afterlife is only temporary.



The aligned AE for Mortals is Nirn. the whole lot of it is a divinity, a schizophrenic, divine skin-ball.



It's what we're born from and with life and death being a cycle, it is what we should return too.

You find evidence in this in the name of Sovngarde, sleep guard, something that protects dreamers, like a sleeve.



3. Communication or at least that's how it was conceived in Battlespire but not used. I'd have to dig up the original thread. You can also think of it as BARBELiTH.

Having established that Spirits exist in a connected fashion I find it hard to accept that 'souls' and the Dreamsleeve do not.

It has more the feel of something that has not been fully realised in play or revealed in otherwise in the Lore.

Therefore I tend to see the Dreamsleeve as a different state of existance not readily accessible to conscious mortals and suspect that it is co-existant with part or all of the Mundus rather than having no connection.

Perhaps the state of the Dreamsleeve occurs at a particulate level below that which has been revealed to date or it may be that it is composed of particles that are hitherto unidentified for other reasons