Hello, i've got some questions about the 3 god people in morrowind,
Recently i figured out that the 'Chimer' where the ones to where turned into the Dark Elves, upon entering Morrowind.
Well vivec is Dark, a dark elf.
Almalexia is tanner, what i was told was Chimer
Sotha Sil (who i did know was a god person until recently) is Tanner, much like Alamlexia

Why is this? why is only Vivec dark?

and also. i dont know is this is a bug in my game but Vivec in gold-ish on one side and Dark-ish on the other...normal??

and also can some one clearify what these 3 "gods" are, i was told there not gods nor mortal? so they are...?


ps. anything i got wrong above, please clear my head about them. thanks.

Almalexia still looks like a chimer, Vivec is half and half, and Sotha Sil has dunmer skin. As to why, my short answers are Almalexia is extremely vain and as such kept the chimer look, Vivec is all about duality and stuff like that, so he appears to be half and half, and Sotha Sil embraced the new look and he really cares about his people a lot.

All three of them were gods, because they tapped into the Heart of Lorkhan and became divine. And whomever said there are no mortals and gods either had no idea what they were talking about, or didn't put it into context. There are gods, the aedra, daedra lords, Talos, etc, etc.

Makes since, got a question (again)
Why did they (Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec) Kill Lord Nerevar?
i under stand that he was like super powerful...but why?

To become gods

Wow, thats not fun.
Why did Sotha Sil go into hiding?

http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/5/56/TR-NPCs-SothaSil.jpg

Actually Sotha Sil still looked like a Chimer, as you can see in the photo.

But, Almalexia really looks like a Chimer. And Vivec is half-Chimer, half-Dunmer. I do not know why only Vivec changed, and why only half of him became Dunmer.The rest of Chimer became Dunmer. There are rumors that Dagoth Ur and the Ash Vampires are also Chimer that not became Dunmer.

Bad lighting. Here's some other pics http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/EveBHart/sotha.jpg, http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/1978/454052-sotha_sil_large.jpg, http://ghostmasters.ru/lore/SothaSil.jpg, http://www.tamriel.fr/images/morrowind/sotha_sil_article.jpg, and http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/7621/1245953989_fullres.jpg, . As you can see, his skin is more like the dunmer pigmentation than chimer.

And Sotha Sil did not go into hiding. He was doing extensive research, and preferred to be alone when he did.

Dagoth Ur and the Heartwights were in fact all Chimer and were changed into Dunmer along with the rest of their race, as is stated in Nerevar at Red Mountain:



Dagoth Ur and his kin then became Heartwights after Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec killed Nerevar and used Kagrenac's tools to become gods.

I am pretty sure the tribunal are all chimner. Vehk just chooses to paint half of himself. He does not have the red eyes of a dumner.

I don't think he was hiding as much as isolating himself in the Clockwork City, where he could shape, reshape, and create to his heart's content.

By the way, according to "36 lessons", Vivec's gold side may symbolize not Chimer skin, but Dwemer metal.

Whoever said they wren't gods probably meant they were false gods, in that they claim to be gods, but do not deserve that title. According to the perspective of Ashlanders, the Tribunal are false gods, (Note how they talk about how the Nerevarine will cast down the false gods of the Tribunal.), the Dissident Priests also question the divinity of the Tribunal. Certainly, their divine powers are not their own, they stole them by using Kagrenac's Tools on the hHeart of Lorkhan, and when the enchantments on the Heart are destroyed, they also lose the source of power.

But the Tribunal were all Chimer, since it was after they set themselves up as gods that the Chimer became Dunmer, as to their appearances, I'd guess that with their powers, they can choose how they appear, Almalexia chooses to look like a Chimer, and Vivec is half-and-half, obviously due to all that duality stuff, and it seems like Sotha Sil was going for a Dunmer look, the golden parts seem to be machines, though it may be hard to tell due to poor texture quality.

Sotha Sil chose to stay Dunmer instead of manipulating his skin back Chimer the way his vain sister did, because he wanted to comfort and teach the Dunmer people and to show them that this was in fact a blessing.

Vivec's entire personality is based on duality and seemingly conflicting characteristics. He is a lover and a killer, a warrior and a poet, etc. His skin tone makes sense.

Almalexia is vain, petty and paranoid. She's unable to give up anything, as evidenced by how she is portrayed in Tribunal. She refuses to accept she is losing her divinity. If we apply that same personality to her some centuries before, we can see she would also be unwilling to abandon her golden elven skin tone.

I liked to be owned this way



It may even be, because every time I see pictures of Chimers, I do not know what the actual color of their skin, gold or the color of human skin.

In sermon 31, Vivec says he uses the Water Face to separate "the bronze of the Old Temple from the blue of the New," referring to the skin tones of the Chimer and Dunmer.

edit: the Chimer were indeed gold. They used to be Altmer.

I assumed that the Tribunal were also transformed into Dunmer by Azura, but they simply used their powers to change their appearances. Almalexia, who appears to be the most conceited and power-crazy of the three, decided to return to her original appearance, which also reinforces her pseudo-Divinity in the eyes of the Dunmer. Vivec decided to go for the whole duality thing, and Sotha Sil, always a minimalist and sympathizer with the commonfolk (until he became too engaged in his projects), decided to remain changed.


Something brought up in a previous thread worth considering: Seht spends much of his time in the Clockwork City, relatively devoid of sunlight. His skin pigmentation has no doubt lost some of its color and gone pale from all his time indoors. But yes, I would agree that he looks to be Dunmer in appearance.

Yes. But there also:

The Dwemer were vexed at these words and tried to hide behind their power symbols. They sent their atronachs to remove the egg-image from their cave and place it within the simulacrum they had made of Vivec's mother.
And later:
A Chimeri warrior, who was protecting the caravan, said, 'Look here how the Dwemer try to fool us as ever, crafting our likenesses out of their flesh-metals.'
And later:
Vivec then reached out from the egg all his limbs and features, merging with the simulacrum of his mother, gilled and blended in all the arts of the star-wounded East, under water and in fire and in metal and in ash, six times the wise, and he became the union of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite, the martial axiom, the six-death of language and unique in all the middle world.

So, if Simulacrum was made from traditional dwemeri gold-like metal...
...it is most likely coincidence, of course, but notable coincidence.

I could say that that's misinterpretation and nothing more. Plus, Vehk's merging with the simulacrum shows how he became male and female, not bronze and blue. Why doesn't the gold half look mechanical then?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Chimer

How about this?

The UESP is written by fans who made the same mistake you did.

Look at the Corprus Stalker. Did all Dunmer who caught Corprus also become Chimer? Or is it just that dead Dunmer are drained of colour?

(In any case, go into the CS and look at Sotha Sil with your own eyes - his hand and the back of his skull are indisputably grey.)

Nevermind that he was a god, it was flesh metal.

Yes, I know, only I do not understand why it was written there.

Sotha Sil can be a Dunmer, but it does not have red eyes, and in the game he appears very bright, like a Chimer.

This does not change the fact that the corprus stalkers don't have red eyes either, or the fact that he is still actually grey in game.

I didn't really pay too much attention to Sotha Sil's appearance in the game - other than going "Oh yuck!"

I tried very hard not to look too closely!