(I ask that little to no references be made to any of the later part of the main quest (after kvatch)if possible. I haven't completed it yet and don't want spoilers. Thanks )

So, from what I read up, the Amulet of Kings is the amulet Akatosh gave Alessia as a covenant to be passed down to "your descendants" (coupled with keeping the dragonfires lit). In exchange for honoring their covenant, they (they being all of Tamriel or Cyrodiil?) would be protected from daedra.

What I'm unsure about is whether the "your descendants" thing has a loose definition of "your." Did he mean your descendants as all people thereafter who would rule the Empire or literally her offspring/descendants. Reason I ask is because if it's the former, why it's so important the amulet be kept in the septim line? If it's the latter, then is every emperor thereafter a descendant of Alessia?
I'm really unsure about the significance of "her heirs" and "her blood".

I'm not sure if I'm missing something and this is infact a silly question so I apologize if it is.

Also, I tried searching for an answer on here and it was stated in another thread it wasn't Akatosh who made the amulet, but rather the Ayleids, and the books in Oblivion are wrong...which didn't really make sense to me. Does that theory have any footing or was that a random conclusion?

see this: http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/amulet_kings.shtml
someone else than a septim can't wear the amulet of kings, and can't light the dragonfires. So descendents is meant literally. It is not for nothing, that you HAVE to rescue Martin and crowning a random person as emperor doesn't work.
The ayleids made white-gold tower, not the amulet. the amulet was crafted by akatosh.
the middle of the gems of the amulets is chim-el-adabal, who represents Alessia. The other gems resemble the 8 divines. Only I'm not sure whether chim-el-adabal is the stone of white gold tower, and if that was made by those who made the tower or by akatosh/alessia. Maybe akatosh just told alessia he made it, while it was much older. Does someone else have an answer on that?

Thanks, but I'm still a bit foggy on the emperors up until the Septim line. Does that mean every emperor after Alessia was her descendant, because I couldn't tell when reading through the http://www.imperial-library.info/history/1.shtml. I mean I imagine they'd have to be otherwise the whole daedra invading thing would've happen much earlier? But it never implied that some emperors were her descendants. Nor did it imply Talos/Tiber was her descendant.

I guess I'm just having trouble drawing the family lines here. :confused:

Not necessarily. It's all really complicated and I don't understand it myself, but I've read threads like these, and it seems that you don't have to be a Septim by blood, you just have to be hardcoe and kingly and pompous enough like a Septim/king. I mean, look, Mankar wore the Amulet, right?

:waits for a Lore Master to come in and save the day:

Hey, it's a long story.

Before we start, it's worth noting that books and people can contradict each other. A simple example would be http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b084_betony_daggerfall.shtml and http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b083_betony_sentinel.shtml but it comes in forms.

It's less obvious in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml and the descriptions in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml but the same principle applies. Different views on the event of creation.

The same goes for the Amulet of Kings.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/amulet_kings.shtml and the http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/trials_st_alessia.shtml both describe the event in which Akatosh gives the Amulet of Alessia.

There are three claims here that are worth examining. The Amulet of Kings was made by Akatosh and when worn by the right person would protected the Empire against Oblivion.

The right people

The Septims obviously are the right people. They have been wearing the Amulet after all. Though not all Emperors have been direct descendants of Tiber Septim. Katariah for example was a Dunmer. There have been adoptions, sometimes a branch ended in a dead end in which the Throne passed onto a cousin. Comes to mind that after the second Emperor, the Septims aren't even descendant from Tiber Septim any more¹.

So the claim of the Amulet of Kings doesn't hold.

The Trials claim that any descendant of Alessia can wear the Amulet. Considering Alessia lived some four thousand years ago, there will be many people who can. It's plausible but puts the Story of Oblivion on a very shaky ground. If almost anybody could wear the Amulet, there would be no reason to go and find Martin.



So it might be best to discard any and all blood relations as a factor altogether. Why some people can, and others (you) can't. Isn't clear. One explanation suggests that to wear the Amulet you need to have the proper role.

Protects against Oblivion

Halfway through the first Era and the whole of the Second Era there had been no Emperor with the Amulet of Kings on the throne. During this time there was no Invasion from Oblivon. If the Dragon Fires keep the Daedra out, then they are not the only thing which keep the Daedra out.

These other structures are explained in the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml.

Amulet made by Akatosh

There is very little known about the Amulet of Kings. Before Oblivion we knew this:




And with the Nu-Mantia Intercept we know that the Amulet of Kings was made by the Ayleid as focal point for the reallity shaping power of the White-Gold Tower.

The (re)creation of the Amulet by Reman is explained better in http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/remanada.shtml where Reman was supposedly born from Hrols intent to reform Cyrodiil in the way of the Dragon Fires.

The supposed creation by Akatosh or Shezarr finds origins in the confusion around Alessias apotheosis were both were present.

With all that, that the actual origin from the Amulet of Kings as Ayleid being overlooked is understandable as embellishment.

Proweler, thanks for the post. In previous threads on this subject, I seem to remember that those who can wear the Amulet have CHIM (including the Orc king Gortwog), whereas everyone else is an NPC. Or do I have this wrong?

If Uriel had CHIM, would he really let all his sons and himself be assassinated? :huh: So, no, I don't think CHIM has anything to do with it. If Mankar had CHIM, there's really no way he could have been defeated without breaking a few fourth walls. I could be wrong, though.

I always thought the whole amulet thing had more to do with Mantling than CHIM...all the characters who could wear it can do so because their actions and personalities fit a certain role, making them more than the sum of their parts.

I appreciate the breakdown proweler. I feel a bit less fuzzy about the amulet now.

Thanks everyone!

Mankar CHIM just because he can wear the amulet of kings? Nah. I think he just uses magic from paradise, in that realm other rules count, so not only the emperor that is able to wear it.

Mankar was descended from the Camoran Dynasty, an ancient dynasty that predated the Septims AND the Remans.

The CHIM-EL ADABAL was an Ayleidoon creation, specifically attributable to Maztiak, the sorcerer-king of Sardavar Leed. Being a myth-echo of Lorkhan's heart, it only responds to a wearer with an intense intrinsic desire for Nu-mantia. Perrif met that criteria, but any other connection to Auriel or imperial bloodlines is purely mannish propaganda. That the liminal barrier holds out daedra is merely incidental to primary function of conscribing the divine spark of Lorkhan within Mundus. Neither of the functions of the liminal barrier exist for the benefit of mankind or as the result of any pact. Since the reclamation of Lorkhan's heart, and not before, an event like the so-called Oblivion crisis became possible because maintenance of the liminal barrier fell to myth-echoes such as White Gold Tower.

Oh..it's you. Hello sir or madam. I could have sworn I'd seen your face before but I can't recall where. Are you a Psijic? Your teachings seem familiar.

So was my hypothesis on Camoran correct from your point of view? Did he posses this "intrinsic desire for Nu-Mantia" which set him apart from others born of mortal parents? Is this true royalty, as opposed to bloodline?

So the Liminal Barriers and Towers and whatever are less about keeping Daedra out, but about keeping Lorkhan and the Aedra in? I guess that makes sense. And a side-effect is Daedra have trouble crossing into the Mundus.

:unsure:

The Daedric gates are also made possible by the Sigil Towers.