Agreed. Great job, Paws. You continue to amaze me.

Definitely a very good read. I enjoyed it a lot However...



The next time you go into the future to get an unreleased video game, would you be kind enough to bring back a copy for all of us <_<

I guess I only fixed that typo once, not twice.

I agree with this idea. From an in-game perspective(Oblivion vs Morrowind) it is obvious that the legions have become separate entities. It's more than they simply look different, they have completely different goals. One polices the lands, the other is a ever present fortified military force. Also because they draw on locals for their forces, making the legions less a foreign force controlled by foreigners and more simply a force controlled by foreigners. Dunmer Legionaries serving in Morrowind likely don't see themselves as oppressors but instead as peace keepers in a homeland known for civil strife. They would not happily retreat to the Empire while their home burns. Without knowing how long tours-of-duty are for the average Imperial soldier it is possible that even the other soldier will feel as if Morrowind is more a home, especially with the developing Imperial culture in Morrowind with charter settlements such as Caldera, Pelagiad, and Sedya Neen. If the tours are very long, which is likely in a time when it is expensive and hard to move troops and equipment, than it is possible these Imperials will be foreigners even in the heart of the Empire. I am by no means suggesting that the Dunmer will accept these outlanders as their own, however to the expatriate Imperial this will be a more familiar welcoming, and they will be more willing to live with other expatriates like themselves(I have personal experience in this matter and thats RL I mean). Therefor I think it is not at all unlikely that Helseth, not only will NOT rebel or succeed, but attempt to bring the Eastern Legions into a New Morrowind and separate himself from the crumbling Empire.

This non-violent solution leaves many possibilities open for the King, including trade with the Empire and the rest of Tamriel(for those that follow similar paths) that has so benefited Hlaalu and the rest of Morrowind so well. At a certain point the power and money gained by support from the Empire makes it able to become independent should they choose. Also Helseth would be greatly benefited by a arguably the best organized military force in Morrowind and possibly further, strategically fortified nearby important political/economic/religious locations, unanswerable to the traditional political forces in Morrowind and if he makes the right moves no one outside it either. Helseth might have trouble attempting a claim the Imperial throne(assuming he'd want it), however it is not at all unreasonable for him to claim leadership of Imperial forces in Morrowind, which if I am not mistaken he already has at least some control over(much like the Duke of Vvardenfell I believe).

Ok this turned into a rather long aggreement, maybe it needs its own thread/article. Anyhow, good work! :goodjob:

Well done, and it helps to put together the total oversights of Oblivion's lack of culture or an intelligently made world where mines work and boats can go through the bay.


What he said.

That's really good to hear, I was farthest out on the limb in that part of the article.

It seems logical to me, and while we all know that no world revolves around logic, I think some of the clever political forces in Tamriel will, and Helseth fits right in there. This part of your article has inspired me to consider writing my own, although if I do write it will probably be even more speculative. We shall see.

bravo. loved reading it. always nice when people provide personal insights to stuff we all see in the game.

-Hexon

Well coming back from a long hiatus, I still feel the need to read through a few threads here and there throughout time. I think I'll adress one point I had a bit of trouble with.


I'd like to deflect the attack on the legion in cyrodiil by noting that the soldeirs in Cyrodiil didn't really need to be a large body of ready warriors. The soldeirs in the Imperial city weren't needed to put down possible rebellion throughout a province. They seemed to be the just in case last line of defence. They were heavily armored, which would be a detriment in a long campaign, but a benefit for defending a fortified position. Those legionaired we see outside the imperial city were almost entirely mounted, which makes sense since the only reason the legion would need to patrol the roads wouldbe to hunt down the odd bandit group, something a small collection of mounted soldiers could easily do. The legion in Morrowind is the true Imperial Legion while the legion in Cyrodiil were, as Paws says, a collection of rich boys being soldiers. This however, unlike his assertion, doesn't denegrate their fighting effectiveness in my opinoin. In fact individually they would be far more deadly then the average legion soldier. Better armored and better trained. There would however, be far less of them. Sort of like the knights to the conscripted peasents and men-at-arms of a medieval army.

Nice post, and made me laugh in a couple of places too.

did any of you read the book?

Pssst..pssssssst...dude right above me...darndest thing, man..this thread is oooolllllddddddddddd.

However in that context...
It would appear a Reman has sprang from the mud, unless Mede is simply a puppet Emperor. I wouldn't say any Elder Council elected the man though. More like he battered the forces of the Niben into submission before marching on Imperial City. If a man such as this was holding a blade at my throat I'd elect him as Emperor too. Long live the King of Thieves!

heh he wrote this almost 2 years ago.

However good lore discussion should never be forgot! And I felt the need to reply to his point about the legions.

I wasn't the first to revive it.

I didn't adress anything beyond the beleif that the legion in Cyrodiil was ineffectual. That has nothing to do with the book.