Could the Dwemer come back? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:23 am

When you think about it, the presumed deaths of Bagarn and the other patients of the corprusarium are a mercy killing. Bagarn lived for millennia after all the rest of his people were destroyed, but to what purpose? So that he could live in an asylum with other corprus victims and have the occasional conversation with the cloned "daughters" of Fyr? Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if the only surviving corprus victim now is the Nerevarine.

I hope Fyr and his "daughters" survived the Red Year, but it doesn't seem likely (unless maybe he used teleportation when everything hit the fan).

Actually according to http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml:

Yagrum, on the other hand, seems to have regained much in the past. He still shows signs of corprus, but his memory seems to slowly be coming back from time to time. He spends quite a bit of time on his own now and wishes to remain alone. I am sure that glimpses of his past, coming freshly back to him, give him much to ponder over. I feel for my old friend. I only wish there was more I could do. A temper seems to rattle him every now and then and I have instructed my sister-wives to leave him be. In time, he will come to and understand what fate holds for him.

And interesting thing.... Yagrum confronted me after my arrival from the council, and wished to know if I still had the Tools in my possession. Upon hearing that the Hortator had taken leave and carried the items off with him, Yagrum seemed quite upset. What is going in that mind of my old friend's. I shall keep a close eye on him, for I worry about his well being.

» Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:37 am

I could see Fyr as getting out. He was/is pretty smart, and was probably even asked to counsel Vuhon about how to go about keeping such a massive thing airborne. If he knew about it, he was likely smart enough to get the hell out.

My only qualm with that is Vuhon is a pretty bright evil-genius. Being the bright evil-genius that he is, he most likely would have seen Fyr as a potential threat and would have tried to settle his feelings "telvanni style". Fyr, being the sage wizard that he is, would have either killed the upstart Vuhon (not likely as Vuhon is still alive) or died by his hands. (I will shed a tear if this is the case) If the conflict erupted and Fyr tried to teleport away, Vuhon would follow him.

Back on Topic: I would like to think that the dwemer are floating in Oblivion somewhere, and that their mortal bodies were simply consumed, but they're dead and buried. (under mountains of ash)

» Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:17 am

Azura was the one who informed Nerevar of the Dwemer's building of Numidium. It wouldn't be beyond her.

Na, Dagoth Ur told them about it, Azura just confirmed what Ur had already said...

I hope Fyr and his "daughters" survived the Red Year, but it doesn't seem likely (unless maybe he used teleportation when everything hit the fan).

I could see Fyr as getting out. He was/is pretty smart, and was probably even asked to counsel Vuhon about how to go about keeping such a massive thing airborne. If he knew about it, he was likely smart enough to get the hell out.

As I've said before, the Dunmer knew the magicks holding up the moon where fading - not only is this directly stated but that was the whole point in building the Ingenium, they knew the moon had the potential to fall. To say that nobody doubted the machine's efficacy or took precautions in case it should fail, especially those capable and bright enough like Fyr and Helseth, is just stupid... surely everybody wasn't just sitting around blissfully unaware while completely trusting a machine to hold back their destruction (afterall, if it took a god stop it how long could this machine possibly last).

» Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:55 am

<_< That's disappointing. Oh well. Too bad Bagarn can't repopulate the race because A. He's a male and races take on the characteristics of the mother and B. He's buried under lava and ash now.

I'd also add that I'm not sure if a bloated corprus monster is even capable of breeding, and if he is, I doubt anyone would want to... do it with him, so I'm sure that there was no way he could ever have repopulated the Dwemer race. I also believe that the Dwemer are all dead, or in some other way in a state where they could never return as an entire race, if we ever see any living Dwemer again, expect them to be like the one in Morrowind (though not necessarily with corprus.) lone survivors of an otherwise extinct race. The lore certainly doesn't imply that there's much chance for their return. But whatever rules fiction sets up for itself, it is ultimately governed by the needs of the narrative. Good writers may try to find ways to write the desired story in a way that's compatible with the rules they've created for their world, but if need be, fiction has shown that it can screw any rules or logic for the sake of plot. So if Bethesda had wanted to bring back Dwemer in the future, they could. Currently, they play the role of the mysterious ancient, now extinct race that was much more advanced than modern races but still went extinct anyway (That's the rule of fantasy, after all, the only ones who get to defy Medieval Stasis will be quickly destroyed for breaking this sacred law, or so it seems.) and fans seem to generally be fairly pleased with how they fill that role. I doubt Bethesda wants to take them out of it.

And don't forget the Dwemer ghosts in those ruins. Some are still there, they're just undead. Or so I think.

My assumption has always been that the Dwemer ghosts are Dwemer who died before their disappearance, but since most of them aren't very talkative and people who talk about Dwemer are usually more interested in either their dissappearance or their artifacts and machines. In fact, I can't really name much in the way of sources that provide any information on them. Not that much information is really necessary, they seem to be essentially the same idea as any other ghosts, just that they happen to be the ghosts of Dwemer, though I'm not entirely certain why their appearance is so different from ancestor ghosts, but then again, their ghosts, I suppose there doesn't have to be a specific way all ghosts look.