The Story Behind Skyrim v2.0

Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:45 am

Dude. gamesas needs to hire this guy, stat!
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:56 am

The only problem I find is that since Akatosh/Alduin in Oblivion seemed to be the patron of mankind and even protected the world from Daedra and even helped Martin defeat Dagon, how did he go from that to sending dragons and maybe even himself to destroy the world? Is he pissed at the Empire he sanctioned for failing? Or maybe it's something that happened in the 200 years in between ESIV and ESV?

It's all perspectives. In fact, the Akatosh version of Akatosh is the only benign version. The merithic version sees him as a defender of the mer, and against Lorkhan and his plan to create Mundus. Because of that, the destruction of Mundus, men, and Lorkhan is seen favorably. Sakatal is an all hungry serpent, that constantly eats itself and everything, and repeats this cycle over and over (but to be honest, he actually sounds more like a combined version of Lorkhan and Akatosh). Lastly, there is Alduin, who shares the most similarities with Sakatal, in that he consumes the previous kalpa, causing a new one to be born.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire, which serves as an introduction to myths and gods, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth, which covers creation myths, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-annotated-anuad, and if you want to take a gander at an out-of-game text, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/seven-fights-aldudagga

Now, as to why he's suddenly attacking when he didn't before, well, he's free now. In ages past, when Alessia first made the covenant, he was bound to the men's desires, and then came the Selective who created a dragon break in an attempt to remove the elven aspects out of Akatosh and make him into a more pro-man deity. Also to note, there is a conflict of how Alessia made this pact. Some say it was directly with Akatosh (or something of that sort), and the other says it was the Shezzarine who gave her the amulet.

EDIT: going to fish out a nice explanation Lady Nerevar gave, so hold tight.
EDIT EDIT: Here we go
Alright, I'll have a hand at this.

First of: gods are real.

When we look at different versions of the same god, we are looking at different interpretations of one concept (the dragon god of time, for example). Alduin is not a re-named version of Akatosh (as is the case with Artemis/Mercury) but rather a different culture's view of the god. The Imperials think Time is on their side (an idea that comes to them from the elves Auriel), the Nords think of time as an adversary. Regardless of how you view it, it is still Time.

Thats pretty simple, right? Thats all you really need to know. Lets complicate things for the sake of it.

Because mortals are a degenerate form of gods, we have a pretty good view of what happened during the creation of the mortal plane, a time known as the Dawn Era. Each culture has its own views of the Dawn, but they share the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth. This framework can be taken as the 'truth' of creation, with each peoples seeing it differently due to their cultural lens.

The biggest characteristic of the Dawn is that Time was not yet stable. Things were changing form and undoing themselves, so we can't know which culture has it 'right.' Turns out they all do. Mythopoeia (the influence of mortal beliefs over truth) is a major force in Tamriel, and because of it the myths of each culture did happen exactly as described. Essentially the unlimited godly form was split into parts for each culture, each still being the god but each being slightly different depending on the culture's beliefs. Once Time crystalized and we were stuck with one reality instead of many, Akatosh/Alduin/Auriel were combined into one god with multiple 'personalities'.

Hope that summary makes sense.




Lets take a look at the Dragon God of Time in particular.

The Nordic Alduin is both the bringer forth and destroyer of the world. Auriel hates the mortal world he was forced to create, and his followers aim to destroy it. Satakal is constantly eating himself. Akatosh is the only version of him who is not bound to destroy the world. In fact, he is "endurance, invincibility, and everlasting legitimacy" to the Imperials, which kinda goes against the whole Time thing. Why is this? Other than a cultural change, its probably a byproduct of all the mythical meddling Cyrod has undergone. The pact with Alessia bound Akatosh(/Lorkhan) to the Empire. The Marukhathi tried to wipe elven influence out of Akatosh, leading to a new Dawn era and who knows what else. The emperors were Dragonborn. Having a miniature version of the cosmic wheel as your capital probably doesn't hurt, either.

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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:45 pm

The only problem I find is that since Akatosh/Alduin in Oblivion seemed to be the patron of mankind and even protected the world from Daedra and even helped Martin defeat Dagon, how did he go from that to sending dragons and maybe even himself to destroy the world? Is he pissed at the Empire he sanctioned for failing? Or maybe it's something that happened in the 200 years in between ESIV and ESV?


Well he wants to free himself and probably wanted to destroy Nirn rather then have Dagon control it so he stepped in and blocked them from ever entering. Since the magazine article says the return of the dragons was foretold in the Elder Scrolls. Specific events had to happen before the current event could begin. The destruction of the Staff of Chaos (Arena), the creation of the Numidium (Daggerfall), the events at Red Mountain (Morrowind), and the Oblivion Crisis (Oblivion) all had to take place. The last event to unfold before the dragons return was the people of Skyrim turning against each other which is happening at the beginning of the game.


Dude. gamesas needs to hire this guy, stat!

I don't think I am anywhere near qualified to be apart of such a talented team. I'm not even that smart on The Elder Scrolls Lore. There are plenty of other fans out there that have a better understanding of it then myself. Though that would be awesome to work with such a talented team.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:48 am

Make this REAL easy for you. All mythology in TES is heavily influenced by a former Dev called Micheal Kirkbide, also known as MK who still occasionally haunts the Lore Forums.

Lorkhan IS Akatosh.

Lorkhan = Space.

Akatosh = Time.

Space and Time are inseparable, yet seem to function differently. This is the key to understanding the Dichotomy. Paraphrasing a quote MK wrote from some time ago: "The Dragon God of time is insane." Despite all the beneficent attributes applied to Akatosh, the Aedra simply act out of maintenance, not 'goodness', the Aedra are stability, the Daedra are Change. Yet they are both et'Ada. the reason that the Empire is 'Divinely Ordained' is because it represents stability and representation or symbols are a powerful force in Nirn.

All the battles between avatars of Lorkhan and Akatosh are a split personality not realizing until the final moment that: "Oh Crap! I cut my own heart out!"
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:12 am

cool story bro...

but really, so many thoughts and so much work put into this

really, nice
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:27 am

Im sprry if you covered this but i read so much i might of missed some details. But how did Akatosh become like the great deity in mens eyes?was it because he helped out with the amulit of kings which kept the dragons in cheak? and at the the same time; Lorkan and Akatosh are enemys, but didnt they both help out the first empress Alessa.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:27 am

is a rather interesting theory and must of took hell of long time to make it..
i think it is a bloody good theory and probably a correct although i doubt even bethesda will go into as much detail as you so we'll never find out..
but akatosh trying to escape his earthly bonds needs to eradicate men and thanks to all dragon born being supposedly dead he think snow is the time to wipe out men (hence rise of dragons)
knowing that he is nirn and wantig to stay alive lorkhan aids the dovahkiin possibly his shezariine will be Estoban.. with the heart of lorkan destroyed his spirit is all that keeps nirn in existence..
so that being them two being what could be the main opposing forces in skyrim.. what of the other Aedra .. you mentioned Kyreneth (i did not read all of the hypothesis so forgive if they were mention).... but what will there positions be they too want to escape the realm but they dont seem to be in a position to act as akatosh did so perhaps they will try to aid men & mer or perhaps they will try to aid Akatosh
and wasn't tiber septim "the third dragonborn in your theory" made into one of the divines 'aedra' although not one of the original aedra (hence the religion of the eight and one) he would still have some amounts of aedric power and will probably be the main supporter of the dragon born other than shor/lorkan.. but your theory relies on people not believing in the divines anymore meaning the aedra will be free .. and with tiber septim being the mortal form of talos surely him being free will mean he dies.. and if people never stopped believing in them (and considering his avatar/martin saving tamriel from mehrunes dagon claiming that tamriel is not made by aedra but his realm of oblivion, which if true also puts a stick in your theory unless it was mentioned later, and i do plan to read it soon.. surely) it is more likely to be more worshipped, although perhaps that could be seen as the coming of Alduin which nords fear.. but if he is worshipped than him being free in order to be a free dragon and unbind the dragon it would almost completely break you theory
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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:55 pm

lorkhan and akatosh may be brothers, brothers who fought over one love, read the anuad. it may in fact be true that anu and padomay are shor and alduin. nir is...i have no clue.
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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:21 pm

Surprised to see this thread pop back up
Im sprry if you covered this but i read so much i might of missed some details. But how did Akatosh become like the great deity in mens eyes?was it because he helped out with the amulit of kings which kept the dragons in cheak? and at the the same time; Lorkan and Akatosh are enemys, but didnt they both help out the first empress Alessa.

Yeah from what I understand Lorkhan got Akatosh to agree to do the Amulet of Kings, only reason Akatosh agreed was because he would become stronger through the promised worship? I'm not sure but that's how i understood it. I could be wrong.
lorkhan and akatosh may be brothers, brothers who fought over one love, read the anuad. it may in fact be true that anu and padomay are shor and alduin. nir is...i have no clue.

Yeah I've been saying this for awhile now, I think it's somewhere in my theory post but I know i just went over it again in another thread.


Eh, most likely Shor will make an appearance to stop Alduin again, or we're trying to prevent him from awakening. Fighting a world sized dragon just doesn't seem possible...

I'de have to side with this idea.

As much as people hated Martin Septim stealing your thunder at the end of Oblivion I think the same type of scenerio is going to happen at the end of Skyrim's storyline.

The thing is you'll definitely be able to do your part in battling the dragons and figuring out how they were banished before.

The Dragons were banished from the world of Nirn a thousand years ago, as revealed by GI. How or why is unknown to us yet but part http://media1.gameinformer.com/images/site/pages/esv/images/info2.jpg on Alduin's Wall gives us a clue.

This cryptic image tells of Alduin’s fall to humanity’s ingenuity and bravery, but more than that is not known. This piece of the puzzle would be incredibly important to understand for someone new who might hope to defeat the dragons once again. Who are the individuals standing against Alduin? How did they expel the dreaded beast from the world? Perhaps the re-emergent Dragonborn will uncover the answers.



The prophecy depicted on Alduin’s Wall is dire, but it is not without hope. A single individual, gifted with the same incredible powers held by the dragons themselves, may rise to fight against Alduin and assure the world’s survival. The Blades shown http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3593710/Skyrim-Wallpaper2.png bow before the Dragonborn. They’ve protected the line of the Dragonborn for generations in anticipation of this moment, when a Dragonborn would rise to face Alduin upon his return.



But as far the the banishment or battle against Alduin I fear that will be left to Shor (Lorkhan).

Orkey, an enemy god, had always tried to ruin the Nords, even in Atmora where he stole their years away. Seeing the strength of King Wulfharth, Orkey summoned the ghost of Alduin Time-Eater again. Nearly every Nord was eaten down to six years old. Boy Wulfharth pleaded to Shor, the dead Chieftain of the Gods, to help his people. Shor's own ghost then fought the Time-Eater on the spirit plane, as he did at the beginning of time, and he won, and Orkey's folk, the Orcs, were ruined. As Boy Wulfharth watched the battle in the sky he learned a new thu'um, What Happens When You Shake the Dragon Just So. He used this new magic to change his people back to normal. In his haste to save so many, though, he shook too many years out on himself. He grew older than the Greybeards, and died. The flames of his pyre were said to have reached the hearth of Kyne itself - http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-five-songs-old-knocker.


Unless the Dovahkiin him/herself is a avatar or Shezzarine sent by Shor (Lorkhan). I guess I always thought the Dovahkiin to be a avatar, or Shezzarine, sent by Shor (Lorkhan) so that's what I'm thinking right now. Then it may open the door for you, the player, to be the one to banish or fight Alduin.

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Orkey summoned the ghost of Alduin Time-Eater again. Nearly every Nord was eaten down to six years old. Boy Wulfharth pleaded to Shor, the dead Chieftain of the Gods, to help his people. Shor's own ghost then fought the Time-Eater on the spirit plane, as he did at the beginning of time, and he won.


"At the beginning of time" I think refers to the story told in The Anuad about the two brothers at the beginning of time, Anu and Padomay.
(I believe Anu is Lorkhan and Padomay is Akatosh)


The Anuad

The first ones were brothers: Anu and Padomay. They came into the Void, and Time began.

As Anu and Padomay wandered the Void, the interplay of Light and Darkness created Nir. Both Anu and Padomay were amazed and delighted with her appearance, but she loved Anu, and Padomay retreated from them in bitterness.

(So Nir fell in love with Lorkhan and well Akatosh didn't like that too much. Jealous much? lol)

Nir became pregnant, but before she gave birth, Padomay returned, professing his love for Nir. She told him that she loved only Anu, and Padomay beat her in rage. Anu returned, fought Padomay, and cast him outside Time. Nir gave birth to Creation, but died from her injuries soon after. Anu, grieving, hid himself in the sun and slept.

(Lorkhan in other creation myths inside TES lore has always been the one to push or foster the creation. Lorkhan approached his peers with a plan to create a new plane of existence, and to create and populate it with lesser beings of their own design, which he described as being the "soul of the universe". Lorkhan tricked the other Aedra into doing so as the Mer believe. (See Spoiler Below)

Meanwhile, life sprang up on the twelve worlds of creation and flourished. After many ages, Padomay was able to return to Time. He saw Creation and hated it. He swung his sword, shattering the twelve worlds in their alignment.

Badda bing badda boom! This as I see it directly links Alduin to Akatosh to Padomay. Or maybe just Alduin to Padomay. "Alduin's sobriquet, 'The World Eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, rauaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one."

Anu awoke, and fought Padomay again. The long and furious battle ended with Anu the victor.

"Shor's own ghost then fought the Time-Eater on the spirit plane, as he did at the beginning of time, and he won." So Shor or Lorkhan is Anu and Padomay is Alduin and Akatosh.

He cast aside the body of his brother, who he believed was dead, and attempted to save Creation by forming the remnants of the 12 worlds into one -- Nirn, the world of Tamriel. As he was doing so, Padomay struck him through the chest with one last blow. Anu grappled with his brother and pulled them both outside of Time forever.

Now the Mer's creation myth claims Lorkhan (Anu in this case) tricked the other Aedra including Akatosh (Padomay) into using their own divine energy to create Nirn and in the process trapped them to the world. (See Spoiler)
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Altmer creation myth: The creation of the Aedra, and thus Nirn, progresses as follows:

Before the universe existed there was Anu, the unchanging stasis. Into this stasis came Padomay, the agent of change, and thus the universe was created. (See the article on Sithis (god), an alternate name for Padomay, for details.) From the chaos of creation came the et'Ada, formless spiritual beings, to populate the universe.

All creation myths across Tamriel include the Aedra Akatosh in some form, as the first of the et'Ada to form an identity, bringing with him the concept of Time. The existence of time aided other et'Ada in forming their own identities, and soon there were hundreds of separate, individual beings. The other common element in all creation myths is the presence of the "trickster", usually called Lorkhan. After some indeterminate amount of time, Lorkhan approached his peers with a plan to create a new plane of existence, and to create and populate it with lesser beings of their own design, which he described as being the "soul of the universe". He was able to convince a group of his fellow spirits to help with his plan, while others suspected a trick or were simply uninterested and were kept out. Lorkhan's plan was executed, resulting in the creation of the mortal plane/planet of Nirn. During this process, it became clear to the Aedra that their own divine energy was being drained to help infuse life into the world. Some of the Aedra managed to escape the mortal world, most notably Magnus, who was initially the chief architect of Lorkhan's plan, but quickly became disgusted with his creation and fled. Since Magnus is not bound by the rules of Nirn, neither is the magic which flows from him, allowing it to violate the natural laws and reach across the planes of existence. Other Aedra drew back from creation in time to maintain some degree of their divinity, leaving them bound to Nirn but still powerful relative to the mortals. A few Aedra continued to sacrifice their divinity to finish the creation of the planet, leaving them weakened and unable to interact directly with the world. The last of these was Lorkhan himself, who is usually said to have died, with his body becoming the physical mass of Nirn. This also explains how Lorkhan's Heart was able to survive on Tamriel for so long, since it literally part of Nirn itself.

One last group of Aedra continued to weaken, even after they had determined what was happening. These beings realized that, in order to maintain their existence, it would be necessary to procreate and bring forth future generations. Each generation took more and more of the divinity of their ancestors, until finally they had weakened to the point of being mortal beings. These beings were called the Ehlnofey, the "bones of the earth", and were the first inhabitants of Nirn.

Eventually, the Ehlnofey would diverge into the various races of man and mer, who would evolve quite different interpretations of the creation myth.


The blood of Padomay became the Daedra. The blood of Anu became the stars.

Not too far fetched from the other stories of Lorkhan (Anu in this case) body being the moons or something like that. Stars, Moons, close enough.

The mingled blood of both became the Aedra (hence their capacity for good and evil, and their greater affinity for earthly affairs than the Daedra, who have no connection to Creation).

(All together that is whyI believe Anu is Lorkhan and Padomay is Akatosh.)

On the world of Nirn, all was chaos. The only survivors of the twelve worlds of Creation were the Ehlnofey and the Hist. The Ehlnofey are the ancestors of Mer and Men. The Hist are the trees of Argonia. Nirn originally was all land, with interspersed seas, but no oceans.

A large fragment of the Ehlnofey world landed on Nirn relatively intact, and the Ehlnofey living there were the ancestors of the Mer. These Ehlnofey fortified their borders from the chaos outside, hid their pocket of calm, and attempted to live on as before.

Other Ehlnofey arrived on Nirn scattered amid the confused jumble of the shattered worlds, wandering and finding each other over the years.

Eventually, the wandering Ehlnofey found the hidden land of Old Ehlnofey, and were amazed and joyful to find their kin living amid the splendor of ages past. The wandering Ehlnofey expected to be welcomed into the peaceful realm, but the Old Ehlnofey looked on them as degenerates, fallen from their former glory. For whatever reason, war broke out, and raged across the whole of Nirn. The Old Ehlnofey retained their ancient power and knowledge, but the Wanderers were more numerous, and toughened by their long struggle to survive on Nirn. This war reshaped the face of Nirn, sinking much of the land beneath new oceans, and leaving the lands as we know them (Tamriel, Akavir, Atmora, and Yokuda).

The Old Ehlnofey realm, although ruined, became Tamriel. The remnants of the Wanderers were left divided on the other 3 continents.

(Hence why the Mer were first on Tamriel and the Nedic people or the first of Mankind came from continent Atmora)

Over many years, the Ehlnofey of Tamriel became:
- the Mer (Elves),
- the Dwemer (the Deep Ones, sometimes called Dwarves),
- the Chimer (the Changed Ones, who later became the Dunmer),
- the Dunmer (the Dark or Cursed Ones, the Dark Elves),
- the Bosmer (the Green or Forest Ones, the Wood Elves), and
- the Altmer (The Elder or High Ones, the High Elves).

On the other continents, the Wandering Ehlnofey became the Men -- the Nords of Atmora, the Redguards of Yokuda, and the Tsaesci of Akavir.

The Hist were bystanders in the Ehlnofey war, but most of their realm was destroyed as the war passed over it. A small corner of it survived to become Black Marsh in Tamriel, but most of their realm was sunk beneath the sea.

Eventually, Men returned to Tamriel. The Nords were the first, colonizing the northern coast of Tamriel before recorded history, led by the legendary Ysgramor. The thirteenth of his line, King Harald, was the first to appear in written history. And so the Mythic Era ended.
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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:25 pm

Nir is Nirn, the Plane[t] of existence in which tamriel is a continent on also known as Mundus or 'The Grey Maybe'. The Aurbis is the universe: I.E. Oblvion, Nirn, and all other planes of existence. Lorkhan and Akatosh are two sides of the same coin. Lorkhan and Akatosh are one. Akatosh is Lorkhan, Lorkhan is Akatosh. We are just percieving different sides of him: Akatosh is Time itself, IE "Dragon Break", Lorkhan is space itself, IE the World, Nirn, Mundus. The Doom Drum is the ending of the world when Lorkhan is tired of his experiment.

Anu is the infinite force, Padomay, or Sithis, is the negating force. Or: If the universe were completely Anuic in Nature, Nords would be infinite feet tall. If it were Padomaic in nature, nords would be zero feet tall. Given that Mundus is the interplay of these two primordial forces, Nords are six feet tall.
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Nir is Nirn, the Plane[t] of existence in which tamriel is a continent on also known as Mundus or 'The Grey Maybe'. The Aurbis is the universe: I.E. Oblvion, Nirn, and all other planes of existence. Lorkhan and Akatosh are two sides of the same coin. Lorkhan and Akatosh are one. Akatosh is Lorkhan, Lorkhan is Akatosh. We are just percieving different sides of him: Akatosh is Time itself, IE "Dragon Break", Lorkhan is space itself, IE the World, Nirn, Mundus. The Doom Drum is the ending of the world when Lorkhan is tired of his experiment.

Anu is the infinite force, Padomay, or Sithis, is the negating force. Or: If the universe were completely Anuic in Nature, Nords would be infinite feet tall. If it were Padomaic in nature, nords would be zero feet tall. Given that Mundus is the interplay of these two primordial forces, Nords are six feet tall.

Where is this from? Is it just from what you come to know over time reading lore. It sounds basically like a mash up of all the creation myths and I know each creation myth is only one side of the story and the truth is a combination of them all. This could be right. Probably is. Thanks for posting it.

is a rather interesting theory and must of took hell of long time to make it..
i think it is a bloody good theory and probably a correct although i doubt even bethesda will go into as much detail as you so we'll never find out..
but akatosh trying to escape his earthly bonds needs to eradicate men and thanks to all dragon born being supposedly dead he think snow is the time to wipe out men (hence rise of dragons)
knowing that he is nirn and wantig to stay alive lorkhan aids the dovahkiin possibly his shezariine will be Estoban.. with the heart of lorkan destroyed his spirit is all that keeps nirn in existence..
so that being them two being what could be the main opposing forces in skyrim.. what of the other Aedra .. you mentioned Kyreneth (i did not read all of the hypothesis so forgive if they were mention).... but what will there positions be they too want to escape the realm but they dont seem to be in a position to act as akatosh did so perhaps they will try to aid men & mer or perhaps they will try to aid Akatosh
and wasn't tiber septim "the third dragonborn in your theory" made into one of the divines 'aedra' although not one of the original aedra (hence the religion of the eight and one) he would still have some amounts of aedric power and will probably be the main supporter of the dragon born other than shor/lorkan.. but your theory relies on people not believing in the divines anymore meaning the aedra will be free .. and with tiber septim being the mortal form of talos surely him being free will mean he dies.. and if people never stopped believing in them (and considering his avatar/martin saving tamriel from mehrunes dagon claiming that tamriel is not made by aedra but his realm of oblivion, which if true also puts a stick in your theory unless it was mentioned later, and i do plan to read it soon.. surely) it is more likely to be more worshipped, although perhaps that could be seen as the coming of Alduin which nords fear.. but if he is worshipped than him being free in order to be a free dragon and unbind the dragon it would almost completely break you theory


Well i would just like to say I made this thread before the Game Informer article came out even. Before we knew anything about this game and it's story. Before they even mentioned Alduin for the first time. Posted 22 December 2010 - 04:10 PM

It was just a theory of why I thought the dragons might be returning. Now that we know a little bit more about the basis of the main story this thread really serves no purpose. Other then for the lore it contains compiled into one view. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:46 pm

Great read man....really enjoyed reading that :thumbsup:

What about mehrunes dagon?...will have any part to play again?
To me he seems important.
It seems he's worked/plotted with lorkhan before,against alduin/akatosh.
Also how was mankar cameron able to wear the amulet of kings?
The leaper demon king = Dagon
Sep ( who i call the waving man ) = Lorkhan/shor.

Shot in the dark......will jyggalag play a part?
It seems he's free to wonder oblivion again,his curse was broken. Don't the other daedra fear his power/order?

Think i'm getting ahead of myself or confusing myself.
What are your thoughts on this cipher?
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:20 am

Well, it basically is a mash-up of the creation myths.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/user/20899-mk/

Behold, the profile of the prolific MK, aka Michael Kirkbride, it is he who primarily worked upon the lore as it is now. A former dev, he still frequents the Lore Forums and freelances with Bethesda post Morrowind, fortunately he had nothing to do with OB, but he did write the legends for Knights of the Nine. Check his posts and topics, it will confirm everything I have said here, and more.
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Post » Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:54 pm

I haven't read all of it yet, once I have the time I will though, what I did read was interesting. The post is also well written and structured making easy to follow, so kudos on that. A wall of text would've been far too tiresome to read on a screen.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:37 am

Nir is Nirn, the Plane[t] of existence in which tamriel is a continent on also known as Mundus or 'The Grey Maybe'. The Aurbis is the universe: I.E. Oblvion, Nirn, and all other planes of existence. Lorkhan and Akatosh are two sides of the same coin. Lorkhan and Akatosh are one. Akatosh is Lorkhan, Lorkhan is Akatosh. We are just percieving different sides of him: Akatosh is Time itself, IE "Dragon Break", Lorkhan is space itself, IE the World, Nirn, Mundus. The Doom Drum is the ending of the world when Lorkhan is tired of his experiment.

Anu is the infinite force, Padomay, or Sithis, is the negating force. Or: If the universe were completely Anuic in Nature, Nords would be infinite feet tall. If it were Padomaic in nature, nords would be zero feet tall. Given that Mundus is the interplay of these two primordial forces, Nords are six feet tall.


Ok if i understand right....you think akatosh/alduin and lorkhan/shor are one,being the same....right?
How can that be. The story "The eating birth of dagon" tells:
The leaper demon king = Mehrunes dagon
Sep = ( the greedy waving man ) = Lorkhan/shor.
Who plot/or hide parts of the world from the time eater = akatosh/alduin....he finds this out.
So how can lorkhan and akatosh be the same?
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:18 am

Ok if i understand right....you think akatosh/alduin and lorkhan/shor are one,being the same....right?
How can that be. The story "The eating birth of dagon" tells:
The leaper demon king = Mehrunes dagon
Sep = ( the greedy waving man ) = Lorkhan/shor.
Who plot/or hide parts of the world from the time eater = akatosh/alduin....he finds this out.
So how can lorkhan and akatosh be the same?

alduin = akatosh & lorkhan=shor ...the two are seperate entities form each other
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:07 am

Thumbs up for the effort!
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:11 am

alduin = akatosh & lorkhan=shor ...the two are seperate entities form each other


Yes i know,or thats what i believe,so you agree with me.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:38 am

Actually....i'm now thinking alduin and lorkhan are one and the same....like ying and yang,black and white.
Same pole opposite ends.....just like sheogorath and jyggalag.
Look at what happened in the shivering isles,it has similarities to tamriel.
The flame is not lit in new sheo,it's gone out.
Just as the dragonfires in tamriel/cyrodiil did.
Sheogorath/lorkhan and alduin/akatosh/jyggalag.
Sheo is chaos/change....jyggalag is order/stasis.
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:59 am

Cipher, you are amazing and need a job or something. I don't have time to read all of this, let alone research and write something like this!
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Post » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:02 am

@ cipher 8:
Ok mate..i'm putting a link to a topic i created in the lore section.
I hope this may shed more light on the connection ( or what i think maybe a connection ).
I'm hoping that the other lore people who know a great deal more than me,can shed there opinion on this.
There may be no connection at all....but,there is no harm in trying to find one.
I have much to read and find yet...i get easily confused by the info i read sometimes.
Anyway here is the link.
In the link/threadof mine,someone dismisses my connection,i believe for now they are wrong.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1170730-which-godgods/

Like i said in a PM,it may be of interest to you and your theory/or it may not.
I'll see if i get more reaction to it ( the topic ),while trying to find more info ( if possible ).
Like i said ( to me ) what happens in the shivering isles is almost a carbon copy of what happens in tamriel/cyrodiil and the empire.
Tamriel: The dragonfires are out = oblivion invasion
Shivering isles: The fires/flame is out in new sheo = invasion of the order.
Tamriel: The pact with akatosh/alduin is broken
Shivering isles: The greymarch as ended = ( to me ) pact/cycle is broken.
To me that is a connection....for now. :)

*Edit* Hope you don't mind me posting this here. :)
I'll keep you updated,if i find anything new.
I also want to look more into mehrunes dagon.
From what i remember,he always appears when alduin/akatosh is going to "eat" the world....as if to slow or stop the process.
I'll leave it there for now. :)
Also...mankar cameron/or dagon himself believe's his birthplace is infact tamriel.
I got this from what mankar cameron says in oblivion...he also mentions lorkhan.
the story "The eating-birth of dagon" links to this to...i think...dagon was The leaper demon/devil king in tamriel,before he became dagon.
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