Hey all,

So I have recently decided to give Oblivion another playthrough, and thought I'd give FCOM a tackle. So I have followed the guides from the official site and the unofficial topic on this forum (I'm using UFCOM atm). It runs very stable, short of one CTD I had when making a save at the start of the game, I don't crash at all (unbelieveable all this stuff works together). But whenever I take off my armour, or put another piece on, it has a high chance of crashing to desktop. It usually happens after I have been playing for a while, a freshly loaded game never does it. And it seems to happen more often on larger pieces of armour (cuirass and greaves). I think it has something to do with viewing my character without armour (causes a memory leak or something)? This also happened on an older version of FCOM, so whatever I'm doing wrong I must be still doing it even after full reinstalls.

Here is my load order as sorted by BOSS:

Oblivion.esm
. Note: Masterlist Information: $Revision: 1321 $, $Date: 2010-08-08 15:23:53 -0700 (Sun, 08 Aug 2010) $, $LastChangedBy: pacificmorrowind $

All Natural Base.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent, Delev, Relev, Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, Stats}}

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

FCOM_Convergence.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Note: Use Standalone MOBS if using Frans or FCOM. The standalone version can be found here: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28537
. Note: Recommend installing UOP Supplemental for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Music,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
. Note: Recommend removing if using Wrye Bash. A tweak for this exists in "Tweak Settings".

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

FCOM_Francescos.esp
. Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
. Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.
. Requires: Francesco's supplementary addon package.

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
. Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

Fran Armor Add-on.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent}}
. Requires: FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp
. Requires: the meshes from 'Bonemold Helmet' and 'Cryos Ordinator Indoril Armor' mods, but not the ESPs.
. Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
. Requires: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b.

All Natural - Real Lights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,Scripts}}
. Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.

All Natural.esp
. Note: Required for All Natural.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Climate}}

All Natural - SI.esp
. Note: Required for All Natural SI support.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Climate}}

DLCHorseArmor.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Scripts}}

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}}

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Conflicts with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.

DLCThievesDen.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Name,C.Light,Actors.AIPackages}}

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Relev,Stats}}

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
. Requires: 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp'.

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
. Requires: 'Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp'.

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,Delev,Graphics,Invent,Relev,Stats}}
. Requires: either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp'.

FCOM_WarCry.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Relev,Stats}}
. Note: Use either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp', not both.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.Spells,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,R.ChangeSpells,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

FCOM_Convergence.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Spells,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

FCOM_RealSwords.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Relev}}

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Relev}}

FCOM_Archery.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NoMerge,Stats}}

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,C.Owner}}

DLCFrostcrag.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Name,C.Owner}}

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Note: Possible conflict with Frostcrag Reborn. Do not use both or land tearing will occur.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Name,C.Owner}} and remove the C.Climate and C.Light tags

Knights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Relations,Stats}}

FCOM_Knights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}
. Requires: DLC 'Knights.esp'.

FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp
. Requires: 'Fran Armor Add-on.esp' from 'Unofficial Francesco's Armor'.

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
. Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP.

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
. Note: See http://omploader.org/vMmJlbA/DRtestfix.zip for a hotfix for CTD issues.

All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Filter,C.Climate,Deactivate}}

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I thought DR was supposed to be loaded AFTER Bashed Patch? If it matters I manually put DR after Bashed Patch because it seems to make more sense.

Thanks. Also sorry if this is the wrong forum, I thought tech support would only cover vanilla.

IIRC deadly reflex should load after the bashed patch, move it after the bashed patch and see what happens

Yeah I did that manually, dunno why BOSS puts bashed after it. Regardless I doubt DR is causing this.

EDIT: This also happened on an older version of FCOM, so whatever I'm doing wrong I must be still doing it even after full reinstalls.

This used to be an issue which we thought had been corrected with some WarCry armour item sets.
Is it unique to these or is it happening with all armours?

Appears to be with all armours, it even happens just when I take them off.

Sounds like an overload issue as it only happens after playing for a while. Does it "only" CTD when changing armor - or is it prone to CTD after playing for a while in other circumstances?

Also, repost your load order via Wrye Bash instead: Right-click File-header > List mods > Paste

I can't recall it ever CTDing randomly, only when changing armour.

Opening Wyre Bash always resets the dates on the mods for some reason and breaks my load order btw so that won't work. I'm also using the stutter remover obse plugin btw. Could be causing an overload?

Make sure Lock Times is turned off in Wrye Bash, e.g. unchecked when Right-clicking the File-header. If unchecked, Wrye Bash won't reset dates. Rerun BOSS if needed.

KK I have the load order sorted in Wyre Bash, I have rebuilt the patch according to the UFCOM thread as I think I had done it wrong earlier. Played for about 15 mins swapping out armour randomly and no CTD so far. I'll update with further results later.

Guess the Bashed Patch might have been messed up if the load order got jumbled up by lock times when loading Wrye Bash. Hope that fixed it.

Wrye Bash is my main utility - I run BAIN (of course), TES4LODGen and BOSS via it. And it gives the most useful load order list when having issues as well - as it has version numbers and also shows imported/merged but unchecked mods.

BTW, if you meant "about 15 mins" with "playing for a while" I doubt it is overload related after all.

Okay so I haven't had an armour swapping CTD at all, however I do get CTDs occasionally when loading new areas, or when waking up from sleep and such. What could this be?

Turn off autosave on wait/travel/rest if you haven't already. It's known to cause CTDs, esp. when using lots of mods.