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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:33 pm

I wouldnt agree with Lycanthropes being evil -- they are primal, their intelligence reduced to an animal like state during their transformation, they are simply hunters. Is a bear or mountain lion evil because it's a predator?



The Lycanthropes are thought by many to be the spawn of the Daedric Prince of the Hunt, the one called Hircine by Imperials. Whether this is true or not, they are indeed primal creatures. And being the spawn of Daedra doesn't necessarily make one evil or immoral. It's more like they're amoral, like all non sapient animals.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:28 pm

On the vampire side, count Hassildor seems to be a considered as a fair an competent if reclusive ruler.

I'm pretty sure that's forum fanboyism, because, last I checked, he's a self-serving beaurocrat of the Septims. He actually preys on his subjects. That is evil.


Good and evil are very very real to the people of Tamriel. We scoff at any rule system by which to gage one's morality, only because we have access to the metaphysics of Nirn's creation. Others (in-universe) don't and their belief systems may be wrong, but no less significant.


Besides, there's "Good and Evil", then there's "good and evil".
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:49 am

I'm pretty sure that's forum fanboyism, because, last I checked, he's a self-serving beaurocrat of the Septims. He actually preys on his subjects. That is evil.

What bureaucrat, vampire or not, doesn't prey on their subjects? :biglaugh:
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:07 am

I'm pretty sure that's forum fanboyism, because, last I checked, he's a self-serving beaurocrat of the Septims. He actually preys on his subjects. That is evil.


Good and evil are very very real to the people of Tamriel. We scoff at any rule system by which to gage one's morality, only because we have access to the metaphysics of Nirn's creation. Others (in-universe) don't and their belief systems may be wrong, but no less significant.


Besides, there's "Good and Evil", then there's "good and evil".


At a minimum he doesn't seems to be worse than the other counts - no talk about missing persons or the like. The local watch seems rather open minded judging from their handling of complete paranoid (basically, saying 'do like he wants unless it gets nasty' if you talk to them about it).

And he hasn't what seems a room set appart to torture and execute unwelcome minorities like the countess of Leyawin. Which would make him actually nicer than some of his homologues despite being a vampire.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:08 am

I think we're forgetting that Tiber Septim ascended to become a Divine. So it would seem possible, if that's what you're thinking of.

But becoming some sort of an angel, I don't know. As it's been said, there are saints, and that might be the closest you'd get.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:24 pm

At a minimum he doesn't seems to be worse than the other counts - no talk about missing persons or the like. The local watch seems rather open minded judging from their handling of complete paranoid (basically, saying 'do like he wants unless it gets nasty' if you talk to them about it).

And he hasn't what seems a room set appart to torture and execute unwelcome minorities like the countess of Leyawin. Which would make him actually nicer than some of his homologues despite being a vampire.

The count could also have some of his more trusted servants blood let, or he just gets a random bandit that all seem to roam the country. There's also vampire hunters that come around. But, since the populous doesn't seem willing to start a mob, I guess he does a good job of hiding his condition, and doesn't seem to prey on his people for blood. Maybe the Mages Guild sends him some supplies to help him, in exchange for his help.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:20 am

At a minimum he doesn't seems to be worse than the other counts - no talk about missing persons or the like. The local watch seems rather open minded judging from their handling of complete paranoid (basically, saying 'do like he wants unless it gets nasty' if you talk to them about it).

And he hasn't what seems a room set appart to torture and execute unwelcome minorities like the countess of Leyawin. Which would make him actually nicer than some of his homologues despite being a vampire.

His name is Janus, implying he's two-faced, possibly a jingoist-in-the-rough. I could go either way with this guy, certainly not very developed, but more approachable than the others.

Getting away from him, the Alessian Doctrines impacted http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b025_legalbasic.shtml throughout their old holds. The doctrines held all men are guilty (inherent?) until proven innocent. I'd be inclined to read this as grounds for common, albeit paranoid, belief the "other" is guilty of an evil, so long as they are unable to logicaly, out maneuver the plaintiff.


Beside that mess, there are universal truths. They're just obfuscated by mortal dementia. Which is to say, memory of these truths has waned like the moons over the millenia, until creation stories are all we remember.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:47 pm

Beside that mess, there are universal truths. They're just obfuscated by mortal dementia. Which is to say, memory of these truths has waned like the moons over the millenia, until creation stories are all we remember.

If Time is a dragon that can break, I imagine Universal Truths can be mutable. :P
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:53 pm

Sure, by models of other truths. Some even become truths. hehe, or liars
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:29 pm

Also, I believe that Lycans AREN'T immortal. I could be wrong though.
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:20 am

Also, I believe that Lycans AREN'T immortal. I could be wrong though.

There not. Unless you ment immoral...
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Post » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:36 am

Oooh, too right! :lol: Haha, there's a bit of dramatic irony. The Cliffracers would have been wiped out if Juib hadn't evicted them.

Yeah and now their probably moved to wherever the next elder scrolls game is set... :wacko: :o :swear: :brokencomputer: Fallout 3 even has its own cliffracer:the bloatfly.:biglaugh:
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