First post ...

I've been playing since Morrowind and have always been more impressed by the lore and books than by the sometimes flat NPCs in the actual game. (I actually own Daggerfall and Arena and Redguard, but never played them). Haven't thought about Tamriel in a while, but checked back in to see if TES V was on its way, and got entranced by the Aldudagga. When did that get first posted? Was it all at once?

I was thinking about a meta-game interpretation of the Fight One text, the Eating-Birth of Dagon. The cycles of the world are Tamriel (Nirn?) destroyed and rebuilt, sometimes with little bits hidden away in it from the last cycle. It grows larger in area each time, and it's bigger and bigger to eat. It sounds to me like each game, growing in size and taking a little longer to develop, sometimes not put together in quite the same way as last time ...

Interestingly, one of Lorkhan's goals is to make Tamriel so large that it would explode out of Akatosh's belly on the next iteration of the world cycle, and then never have to die. A huge, persistent world, with thousands of people in it, never having to end ...

P.S. Fight Three: is the Dirt Patch too early of a concept to be linked to Umbriel? Or perhaps a retcon of a map glitch between games?

Post this in the lore section. You'll get a better response.

I must admit these obscure myths are my Achilles' Heel when it comes to lore. Although I'm sure someone here will be able to give you a good answer.

Welcome to the forums. Have a http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/c/c4/Fishystick.jpg!


Isn't this the lore section?

You've found the easter eggs, but the Seven Fights are also practical. There are pieces of previous creation cycles which the Leaper added and Dagon must remove, if the Leaper is to survive this creation cycle. There's a motive behind his destruction.

It is. This thread was moved from the Morrowind section earlier today.

Interesting, thanks for the replies. Was the Aldudagga something from 2006, or did additional stories get added later?



Hairdo, perhaps you're thinking of another thread? The Lore forum is the only one I read!

P.S. I've always wanted one of the legendary sticks made of fishies ...

fine, http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/c/c4/Fishystick.jpg you go

I wanted to say 2007...but maybe you're right. Damn, has it been that long since Oblivion was new?

I once read from somewhere that lore of Nords are having most correct information of ancient things... Naturally that could be just drunk Nord boasting around, but still should this piece of lore be read as some sort creation myth? The ways of loretelling of Nords is said to be bit, eh, unconventional.

To my understadment we know very little about Nords and their beliefs, myths and so on this far. I know i do. We, i, might know their imperialized side better, but little from their "pure" culture in Skyrim. Naturally TES V will probably bring much more into this.

Why are you so sure that it will be in skyrim?

And That is an interesting point: the fights may not even be true.

I'm not sure at all. Lets just say that i managed to brain fart. In powerful fashion.

Surely whole story sounds like it's for kids. Then again whole Vivec's Sermon thing is totally unreadable lunatic gibbering to me as well, so i don't much count on my ability to judge trueness or falseness of some text.

Style and substance are not necessarily related. while the sermons are filled with ultra-symbolic physchological cryptobabble, and therefore sound more like the text of someone who knows what's what, that doesn't command what it says to be fact. Likewise the Aldudugga is told in the boistrous and ultra-hammy Nordic character, but unless you go with the idea that http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleukqnnj0yvqci?from=Main.CantArgueWithElves all that means is you are being told a story by a certain type of storyteller, not that storytelling type A is always right.

Don't worry, I've been on the Lore Forum for years and always felt the same regarding Vivec's Sermons. Except, ironically, for the hidden message mentioning he killed Nerevar.

As for the stories, I personally take myths about the Daedra with a grain of salt, since the Aldmeri explanation of Sheogorath seems to be incorrect. Daedra, unlike Aedra, are not retroactive.

All the creation myths are true - from a certain point of view. (Thanks, Obi Wan. Your philosophy has shaped a generation)