Why are all these people who loved Fallout 3 so much so disappointed that the engine is the same? If you love Fallout 3 so much why are you sad that this game is like Fallout 3 just 10x better? It makes no sense to me. What do you want??? A completely different engine each time a game comes out? I never see near as much comments saying "Black Ops looks the same as MW2" or "RDR looks the same as GTA" but when it comes to NV everybody seemed to expect a whole new engine new everything. Obsidian gave us everything we wanted. The original masters working on the game, better dialog, better plot, iron sights, reputation system, ability to join factions, weapon mods, total complete choice on what faction to annex, better graphics, set in west coast, more music stations, double the amount of quests, more locations and towns, double the amount of weapons, gambling, Marcus, what more do you want?
Rant over. :fallout:

Edit: No insult to you Nacros you seem cool and understanding. I mean OTHER people :ninja:

Black ops has slightly better graphics

Just like how New Vegas has slightly better graphics. And a whole boatload of new features, Just like Black Ops :shakehead:

Ah welcome, have a fishy stick: http://www.imperial-library.info/dogate/til_fishystick.jpg

Now that that's out of the way: Smart move. Had that when Metal Gear Solid 4 had arrived. I had one nightshift to go, so I spend halfthe day sleeping and all night working.
While I was sleeping my roomy received the parcel, knew what it was, played the game and when I got home after my nightshift was at the ending, so major spoiler there..

Being the first to play the game you pre-ordered is just a great feel.


About NV differing form FO3. Yeah it will be different, of course in location and story, but also in gmeplay to an extent. They tried to make it more of an RPG then FO3 was. Still, I think playing the game would not be that much different from F03 gameplay wise. Sure, you have to think out your character a little more than in FO3, but once you've got that covered, all the addition and changes should be easy to adapt to while playing.

i agree 100%, was going to to post something like what you did

its [censored] that so many people are complaing that fallout nv is alot like fo3, when games like call of duty, and evertime a new one of them comes out no one complains about it , they have been using the same game engine since call of duty 4....and every game since has been the same just with a couple of new features, and weapons,
but with fallout new vegas, everthing that it has in comen to fallout 3 has been improved, gameplay , graphics, dialog, everything and so much more has been added, fallout 3 was one of the biggest games in term of content and fallout nv has even more with 2200 NPCs fallout had like 300 or so, and people are complaning it makes no sence
and i just wrote all this when its just the same as the quote but the quote is better........

Well, did you like Fallout 3? Would you like to keep playing it with an entirely new storyline, a huge amount of new quests, change of scenery, and a bunch of gameplay changes based on fan input and popular mods? Would you be entertained and have fun by a game like that? Then buy it.

Are you satisfied with Fallout 3 enough to just stick to that? Or just tired of Fallout in general? Then don't.

PROTIP: most video game sequels are essentially the same thing as the previous title in the franchise with improvements around the core gameplay that stayed the same.

Within your question lies your answer friend. If you love Fallout 3 there should be literally no reason why you wouldn't love Fallout New Vegas sometimes similarities between things aren't always a bad thing. :tops:

I'm betting that the New Vegas gameplay will "feel" alot the same, and all of that muscle memory I built-up over the years of Fallout3 will still work for the common commands I use alot. I think however that the Setting and Content will really take it to another place, and the stories and NPCs will consume us. I suspect there will be alot of, "Man Fallout3 should have like this!" threads going around after Vegas comes out. Not that they will be truely fair comparisons as New Vegas was built on alot of Fallout 3, and its really both studios that deserve credit for making New Vegas a success (with the Lions share going to Obsidian of course). Bethesda did help alot with the title though, we know there was extensive use of QA and many of the common models were re-used to save time not to mention all of the production and marketing resources brought to bear for the title.

I just hope in all these comparisons and threads bashing Fallout 3 for New Vegas that the Bethesda folks don't take it too personally. Most of us will not make fair comparisons, others will, but there are alot of opportunities with this unique blending of games/game engines for us to GECKulate it wrong. I don't know how I could work for these companies and read the forum feedback all day - it would drive me insane.

The gameplay is very similar to FO3 but looks improved.

Fallout New Vegas has so much more than Fallout 3 while maintaining what Fallout 3 had. Its an instant Game of the Year no doubt. With only 13 Days left, I still can't wait. It will for sure be the most epic game ever. =]

:foodndrink: Well thats good to hear. This game will for sure blow you away =]

I can't assure anything till the game is out. but what we know so far from reading articles, closely examining screen shots, and watching every vid, playthrough, review, and interview it seems that this game will officially kick some ___(fill in the blank.)

Just read the lists of points already present to you and you'll know why.

Wow What have i started LOL :flamethrower:


Ok let me answer a few people first.

@Lucky38 - i agree with you dude, its just i didnt do my research right...after i found out about the Faction business...and these mad snipers...IM IN!...especially if i can get my hands on a ninja suit....Ninja + Guns = ...i just cant describe the awesomeness...

@Gunjaer - Thats Right, also there is no way you will miss the package because of the nice lady at reception ...very nice :drool: ...but i had a similar episode with Heavy Rain, pre-ordered, but to my home address ...my nerd brother ruined the ending for me...needless to say i actually battered him...but still lives today to tell about it...

@Sojur- Lol ive pre ordered

@ReinbachThe3rd - Ok i just want to explaing something about when i say ''The Graphics look the same'', ok we all know fallout is a great game, with multiple ways of completing each quest, alot of Q & A which makes the game way more interesting then those cheesy RPG's where they all look like there on pills!
Saying this, They have sacrified the graphics for a better gameplay...which is great, I can see past graphics to a certain level....But since Fallout 3 was a success, part of me would have liked a more stable, smoother game engine, or what ever it is they do to make games with better graphics ..lol i dunno. and to tell you more part of me also wanted it to have a online feature...but thats not happening either...but im still gonna get this game because this is definetly better than fallout 3 so im in

I don't think everyone is upset. I think the majority of people with a Clue about these games understands the differences between Fo3 and FNV by now. For one I'm very excited that it's on the same (but upgraded) engine, as the modding community will Hugely benefit from the backwards compatibility. Alot of other factors that folks often fail to consider is just how much longer it would have taken Obsidian to make the game if they had to re-create the entire engine and common-content, both of which gave Obsidian a HUGE leap forward in their ability to produce a high-quality game in just 18 months... 18 MONTHS! Its just amazing to me, and people quickly forget this and all the other benefits we are getting from this union of the two companies work.

I would have it no other way frankly.

Josh Sawyer care to give us a few examples about new features, prehaps something we don't know? :hubbahubba:

Hmmmm..... let me see what is the blank.
Dirt
Donkey
Cat
Dog

This is a hard game :sadvaultboy:

Wait i was right

"It seems that this game will officially kick some donkeys"

Pretty close, just think of a synonym for donkey and remove part of the word.

Well answer me this, would you really sacrifice a ton of beauty just to play online. Building online gaming takes alot of work and time. That means the game wouldnt have as much depth or detail or gameplay variations. No offence but i hate it when someone says a huge game like Fallout NV needs online. I was suprised that Assassins Creed added in online. I just hope they stayed with a good story and gameplay aspect or i will not get the game. If fallout had online but bad or not as good single player i would be mad. I mean what are you really gonna do, NCR vs CL or defend the colony? They all sound to un-original, what really needs to be done is to make a FPS Fallout game. It sounds weird but who knows? It definatly would have online. Problem about that is Fallout is a RPG so that will be so diffrent.

lol yea i know i was joking around. :sadvaultboy:

SARCASIM :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

They've only changed a few things about the style of graphics, and the engine is the same as FO3. But graphics DOES NOT make the game, if you care about things other than graphics anyways. In which case, I would be curious as to why you would have gotten FO3(though it was more fondly viewed, compared to other games coming out at the time, than it is now) at all-since its never been the leader in the video game franchise in that aspect.

Instead of focusing on a new engine or graphics, Obsidian focused on the gameplay and storyline. So you'll notice improvement, through editing and addition, of mechanics of the game, dialog, etc. etc. It's similar to FO3 in graphics, some gameplay, and the fact it's in a post-apocalyptic US-but its far more improved and with a whole new storyline, that in no way is related to FO3.
Some examples of changes:
*The "classes"(for lack of a better word) of guns- It was edited to make more sense. I forget exactly how it worked, as it was announced a good while ago(and could have been changed by now, in some way, too), but it basically eliminated the "Small Guns" and "Big Guns" group-and grouping guns based on their ammunition/the sort of way they harm the opponent instead of their size. Since basing it on size could make it messier. This is slightly random, but they also added ironsights to guns and allowed some kills outside of VATS to be shown in the slow-motion camera.
*Reputation/Storyline- Reputation was put back into FNV, and this (and your gender, apparently) effects how others interact with you as well as the entire, main storyline. There's more than one main possible way to go, in other words-it's less linear than FO3.
*Better AI- I'm not sure of all the details, but one of them includes the facts that the allies you add to your group have their own problems(that, apparently, can become quests to do) and are more fleshed out than they were in FO3.
*hardcoe Mode/Survival Skill- They made the option of having a more realistic experience in the setting with hardcoe mode(which causes your character to have chance of experiencing dehydration, starvation, etc.), and they added several new objects that can be gathered to make new objects dedicated purely to your survival(and now with a survival skill, it makes it easier to...well..survive. 8P And if I remember right, it's required to make certain things)
*Guns can be modified-they can be improved though other parts, and different types of ammunition can be made from pieces you find in the wasteland. I'm not really doing this bit justice, but I'm sure someone else could.

And there's crap loads of other things that I just can't think of off the top of my head.
If you're not about graphics, then yeah, buy the game. If you are, then I highly recommend you don't.

No i wouldnt, I was thinking more of a Co-op mode, between 2 - 4 people max.

The graphs is not the only thing that makes a game fun. They have improved the story and the dialogues. Plus it is an entirely new area with new weapons, characters, locations, etc.

Ive got over the doubt and pre-ordered...but i got a email today that makes me think Release dates are RACIST!!
WHY O WHY Does the US get it on the 19th/october and UK (me) gets it on the 22nd/0cto--- needless to say i will go on a media Black out from the 19th...or it will be Heavy Rain all over...

Yeah i live in the US and i think the release date thing is BS more so for overseas purchase over Steam...

I just thought of another reason that they've used the same engine again. Hardware! Gone are the days when gamers would update their hardware every 6 months just for gaming. Add into the mix consoles that are basically using 5 year old PC hardware (ish) and you can understand a developer using the same engine for 10 years. Hell I can run Fallout 3 on native 1680x1050 on ultra everything on my homebuilt rig that has some parts that are 2 to 3 year old tech.

For the record:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ (dual core 2.9Mhz)
4.5Gb DDR2 RAM
nVidia GeForce 9500 GT (1Gb DDR2 GRAM)
nVidia GeForce 8200 (onboard card does nothing but handle nVidia's PhysX)
Windows 7 64bit
Various HDDs (120Gb, 500gb SATA II, and 200Gb IDE) all 7200 RPM

I'll probably update my MB and processor in 6 months or so, get a year old tech 4 core or some such, I very rarely buy cutting edge tech, it's just too expensive.