I know the Dwemer models of Mundus show it being at the center of everything. The only reason I bring it up is because of a line in the sermons.

"MY DEAF MOONS
SING AND BURN
AND ORBIT ME
I AM OLDER THAN MUSIC
WHAT I BRING IS LIGHT
WHAT I BRING IS A STAR"

Does this imply a heliocentric idea? The Sermons say that Dagoth Ur sleeps at the 'center', Dagoth Ur's head looks like the sun, and here he speaks of how he is being orbited. Sounds like this particular anology if nothing else is done with a heliocentric view in mind.

Does the Orrery actually represent Magnus in it?

Aside from that, the Orrery is pretty complicated, probably to accompany the Mundus-centric viewpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dwemer clung to the idea of where everything revolves around Mundus and thus reflected it in their astronomy until they found a solution that fit their ideas.

Kind of like how I'm refusing to accept a Mundus-centric model and thus look for ideas that support my view. But hey, if it works, it works.

No, look at the context! This is a sermon about the Hortator killing the Sharmat and removing Vivec, his maker. Not the tourists description of the Aurbis.

Now poem starts with "I AM THE SHARMAT" which refers to everything else said in it. Deaf Moons orbit the Sharmat, the Sharmat will bring a star. And Star roughly means god. The numidium in a simple view or the New Man stuff if you go slightly higher up. The Sharmat is the mythical opponent, Padomay, Sithis, Lorkhan, Dagoth Ur, ect. The moons suggest Lorkhan. Tear down the Pilons, spokes.

Ok, it just seemed coincidental that it talked about things orbiting him while he looks like a sun and is 'at the center'.

I guess the moons are the corprus monsters?

How about the actual moons?

But why would he want to tear down the spokes, the spokes being the aedra.

because a couple Aedra had c\good cause to hate him: He corrupted knowlege, destoryed nature, avoided the process of death, broke time, stole the power of space, infertalized thousands of Dunmeri men and woman, he has no mercy, Screws up the ebony/glass trade, and messed up much of the plant life of Vvardenfel. He is :flamethrower: screwed

Actually, you might say he created mortality.


Anyway about a reason for wanting to destroy the spokes:



And there is something about the Hurling Disk, Mundus without spokes is a vehicle for reaching Heaven. Don't have time to tap that all out. http://www.mwmythicmods.com/Archives/Lore/Mnemoli%27s%20Gate,%20The%20Hurling%20Disk.htm

Dagoth Ur does talk about using Akulakhan to wage war against the gods. I had always assumed he meant the daedra since Vivec says that Dagoth Ur is concerned about them but I guess it could be the aedra too.

But Dagoth Ur was already a god. Also I'm sorry, but I don't see what connection that quote has to destroying the spokes.

If the prisoner removes the jail, he isn't a prisoner anymore.

The Sharmat isn't just Dagoth Ur, the Sharmat is the general concept of the opponent in any conflict.

For Lorkhan to free the world of the spokes is to free himself. It's his divine centre embedded in flesh created by corpus, his body, his divine essence.

For everybody else, when they become a god, the dragon breaks and the spokes come off, the world then becomes the hurling disk which is a tool for reaching heaven.

The idea is in the thing Solin wrote.

The heart was made out of corprus? Or are you saying the whole world is corprus, and if his body is made of corprus what about the moons? Are the moons corprus?