Dagoth "Ur" - translated : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:05 am

Over the Easter weekend, I went with my parents to an ethnic Hungarian church, and one of the stained glass windows showed the following words: Jezusz "Ur", with double dots over the "U". I asked about the meaning of the word, and was told that "Ur", placed after a name, meant about the same as "Lord" before a name in English. So, Lord Dagoth would be Dagoth Ur in Hungarian....

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:47 am

Isn't Ur also German for 'Original'?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:38 am

Not as much "Original" as "Really, really, really old" At least in Swedish.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:56 pm

Im glad you found out this out for yourself. If only I had moments like this.

One must remember that Dagoth Ur's name was not always what it was.

He used to go by Voryn Dagoth, until he emerged as the leader of house dagoth, gaining the title Lord Voryn Dagoth, or essentially Dagoth Ur.

EDIT: We could potentially move this to the lore section.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:00 am

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:29 am

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

Implying that their names are also Dunmerish for numbers or some sort of sequence?

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:03 pm

Implying that their names are also Dunmerish for numbers or some sort of sequence?

In ways, yes.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:38 pm

I thought it was "Dagoth #1" and the other significant Dagoths were numbered in line.

In that context it would be "The First Dagoth" or Ur Dagoth. The... Progenitor? Of all Dagoths.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:14 pm

In that context it would be "The First Dagoth" or Ur Dagoth. The... Progenitor? Of all Dagoths.

Well you could think of it like in Spanish when you describe something. In Spanish, you say the dog brown, instead of the brown dog.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:51 am

From "De Vermis Misteriis":
...
Ur ? city in occult sense, the object situated in some space and having limits (Borders/Walls) and Gates.

There is also Ur-dra (Nocturnal) and Ur-Tower (Adamantine Tower) in TES theology.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:27 pm

From "De Vermis Misteriis":
...
Ur ? city in occult sense, the object situated in some space and having limits (Borders/Walls) and Gates.

There is also Ur-dra (Nocturnal) and Ur-Tower (Adamantine Tower) in TES theology.

Adamantine Tower was the first tower, which is how I thought "Dagoth Ur" Refers to "First Dagoth" or "Dagoth #1"

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:59 am

Adamantine Tower was the first tower, which is how I thought "Dagoth Ur" Refers to "First Dagoth" or "Dagoth #1"

Hmm, it's possible. But Adamantine Tower reffered as "Zero Stone"; maybe "Ur" means something like "primordial" instead of numeral "first"?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:29 am

Hmm, it's possible. But Adamantine Tower reffered as "Zero Stone"; maybe "Ur" means something like "primordial" instead of numeral "first"?

I haven't ruled that out either. I like it.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:50 am

I thought it was the sound his followers make. Dreamers.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:09 pm

"Ur" mean "Lord"... Dagoth mean?

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:19 pm

"Ur" mean "Lord"... Dagoth mean?

Dagoth = House Dagoth

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:59 am

Dagoth = House Dagoth

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Yeah, and the name "Dagoth" what it means?

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:51 pm

:) ¬¬'

Yeah, and the name "Dagoth" what it means?

Mind if I answer your question with another question? What does Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvanni, and Dres mean?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:50 am

Well if we go with the basic idea presented in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/855475-when-dead-gods-dream/ that Dagoth Ur is dreaming perhaps then the name Dagoth comes from Conan's http://moa.dracandros.com/Dagoth_(Conan_Films).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:57 am

Mind if I answer your question with another question? What does Redoran, Hlaalu, Telvanni, and Dres mean?

Telvanni literally means "Tower of Wing Feathers". But "Wing Feathers" is a poetic term and I do not know what it means. The other terms I do not know what I mean.

Well if we go with the basic idea presented in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/855475-when-dead-gods-dream/ that Dagoth Ur is dreaming perhaps then the name Dagoth comes from Conan's http://moa.dracandros.com/Dagoth_(Conan_Films).

And Dagoth, the Dreaming god's name comes from Dagon, the Babylonian god of fertility.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:51 pm

I just assumed Ur was a reference to the human city.