Anticipations : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:10 pm

Would Nerevar and/or Dagoth Ur have anticipations in the Tribunal Temple?

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:18 am

The Tribunal have Anticipations, because of the way they became gods. They stole the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave. Dagoth Ur and Nerevar did no such thing.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:07 am

The Tribunal have Anticipations, because of the way they became gods. They stole the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave. Dagoth Ur and Nerevar did no such thing.

Didn't Dagoth Ur do that as well?

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:04 pm

In regard to the Dreamer? Yes. Good point.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:57 am

Dagoth Ur and his ilk were crazier and creepier than any Daedra prince. Hard to think of an adequate anticipation for him.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:14 pm

Would Nerevar and/or Dagoth Ur have anticipations in the Tribunal Temple?

Nerevar isn't a god in the Tribunal temple ... he's a saint.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:52 am

Dagoth Ur didn't intend to use the Heart to make himself a worshiped deity in Morrowind - at least not in the same manner that the Tribunal did. Dagoth Ur wanted Akhulakhan to be the new God - his own version of Lorkhan, and he was the high priest.

Almalexia, Sotha Sil and Vivec intended to be worshiped and to rule Morrowind, so they took the place of the three established Daedra that are already worshiped by the people. They rewrite history metaphysically and on paper so that they've always been gods. The three Good Daedra probably weren't happy about that. Especially Azura.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:55 am

Dagoth Ur didn't intend to use the Heart to make himself a worshiped deity in Morrowind - at least not in the same manner that the Tribunal did. Dagoth Ur wanted Akhulakhan to be the new God - his own version of Lorkhan, and he was the high priest.

Yes, better answer.

The three Good Daedra probably weren't happy about that. Especially Azura.

The ultimate purpose of the Daedra Lords is to instruct and improve the generally deplorable character of mortals.
Can they be delighted at all? Their condition has been likened to a jailor's - not a pleasant occupation - which shares an underlying theme with the quote. I think the Tribunal were fulfilling the purpose of the Daedra.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:18 am

Think about it, dude... The Tribunal were CRAMPING HER STYLE.

The people who used to go to her shrine, and those of her siblings Mephala and Boethia to seek advice directly from them are now worshiping and seeking help form these three thieves who stole their divinity from the divine essence of Lorkhan.

It's like the ultimate [censored] block. When you visit the Daedra shrines in Morrowind they're completely run down and abandoned...Boehthia's shrine is destroyed and partially submerged. Azura's is abandoned on the coastline. Only Mephala still has an active cult because the Morag Tong worship her, but back in her glory day she was one of the accepted gods of Morrowind with thousands of followers.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:07 pm

I never claimed the Anticipations liked it, just the Tribunal were fulfilling their purpose, their own instruction. I agree with you. Liking what they did? Hell no, they were terrified. Not a pleasant occupation, being a Daedra.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:45 pm

The Tribunal have Anticipations, because of the way they became gods. They stole the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave. Dagoth Ur and Nerevar did no such thing.

Can you maybe explain this? I know the cave allegory btw.

» Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:33 am

Walter:

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml would probably help:
Divayth Fyr the Psijic:

...Had the "Tribunal" not undergone this deed, Azura would have taken no action. Did Azura take the lives of the Dwemer for attepting use of the Heart? A question that only the Goddess can answer, but I do not believe so. Nobody knows what plans Kagrenac had for the Heart. Perhaps Kagrenac's use of the Heart was the undoing of the Dwemer. Either by plan or by mistake. This is of little concern to the Tribunal. They got what they came for. To walk in the "Shadows of Gods". To send their general off to a Battle and recover their prize....

Man becoming Godly? Perhaps a mere shadow of a God is more appropriate? And to "surpass" a God, well, now we are speaking of a grand gift. One really must be thoughtful of the "Gods" before one can even imagine gaining such a high power/command. Who and what are the Gods? Are they true beings of power? Are they merely Man with incredible ability? Are they figments of our frightened imaginations; something that comforts us in our time of loss and fright? IF, indeed, these "Gods" are beings that scripture and ink bring us to believe, then any Man could fathom the idea of being One.

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