New-Age Argonian Slavery?

Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:37 am

I'm not talking about Solthesiem. What have they done with the remaining Dunmer in Morrowind?
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:30 pm

I'm not talking about Solthesiem. What have they done with the remaining Dunmer in Morrowind?


If my interprentation of the Argonians is right the Argonians would have just run in, beaten the armies/resistance/forts and perhaps killed the king and his family if they could.
Then they would free the slaves and return back to Black Marsh/Argonia and live with the new An-Xileel (sp?) order.

I do not think they would make anyone slaves since they are not interested in money.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:21 am



If my interprentation of the Argonians is right the Argonians would have just run in, beaten the armies/resistance/forts and perhaps killed the king and his family if they could.
Then they would free the slaves and return back to Black Marsh/Argonia and live with the new An-Xileel (sp?) order.

I do not think they would make anyone slaves since they are not interested in money.


I'd agree that the Argonians aren't the type to enslave others; not to mention that they don't seem the type to have plantations requiring slave labor.

I hope that we hear in Keyes' second novel about Helseth's (and Barenziah's) fate after the Oblivion Crisis. We already know from "Oblivion" that Helseth freed the slaves and allied with House Dres. How is it then that decades later, the Emperor Titus Mede's son frees some Argonian slaves during a raid? Does this mean that Helseth was long gone by then (through violence or natural disaster, not age of course)? Did slavery make a comeback after the destruction of Vvardenfell/Morrowind? There are still too many unanswered questions.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:29 am

No one can honestly know whether they'd be corrupted by power, if given it. I just think it'd make Black Marsh all the more awesome when we're there. Imagine the harsh, swamp infested land, full of wild Argonians, Hist, swamp creatures under the water, and enslavers all over. I'm not trying to argue, just saying. :shrug:

I'd like to see the Argonians vs the Imperial legion, Nords (if sided with the Dunmer), and the remaining Dunmer. THAT would be an awesome battle, if taken in Black Marsh's swamps. Some kind of diplomatic main quest for it, aswell.

Also, I'm pretty sure Helseth was completely against slavery, and all for Imperial ways, am I right? Surely that's why he hates the Tribunal, and wanted the Nerevarine dead? I doubt the Argonians would have killed possibly the most powerful slavery hater in Morrowind?
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:33 am

I'd agree that the Argonians aren't the type to enslave others; not to mention that they don't seem the type to have plantations requiring slave labor.

I hope that we hear in Keyes' second novel about Helseth's (and Barenziah's) fate after the Oblivion Crisis. We already know from "Oblivion" that Helseth freed the slaves and allied with House Dres. How is it then that decades later, the Emperor Titus Mede's son frees some Argonian slaves during a raid? Does this mean that Helseth was long gone by then (through violence or natural disaster, not age of course)? Did slavery make a comeback after the destruction of Vvardenfell/Morrowind? There are still too many unanswered questions.


Even thought it was outlawed, I wouldn't be surprised if slavery was still happening on a smaller scale.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:47 am

Also, I'm pretty sure Helseth was completely against slavery, and all for Imperial ways, am I right? Surely that's why he hates the Tribunal, and wanted the Nerevarine dead? I doubt the Argonians would have killed possibly the most powerful slavery hater in Morrowind?


Helseth just wants power (and propably Wayrest too). The Nerevarine is a threat in his opinion. Just as the Tribunal was.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:16 pm

Even thought it was outlawed, I wouldn't be surprised if slavery was still happening on a smaller scale.

Indentured servitude could also pop up.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:17 am

Helseth just wants power (and propably Wayrest too). The Nerevarine is a threat in his opinion. Just as the Tribunal was.

Abolishing slavery would be a way to do that, though? Being all for Hlaalu, who are all for the empire, who are against slavery would be the way to get power. Even if it's just in the public eye, he's against it.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:31 pm

I never got the feeling that the Hlaalu were very anti-slavery. The Hlaalu plantations in the Ascadian islands had plenty of slaves.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:16 am

I never got the feeling that the Hlaalu were very anti-slavery. The Hlaalu plantations in the Ascadian islands had plenty of slaves.


The Hlaalu are shrewd merchants and diplomats. Just like the Imperials. As long as it is legal to use slaves, they will use slaves! Why? It is cheap and easy. But they are also the most easily adapted house. They adapted quickly to the Imperial occupation and seized lots of power. They want power, money and more money. Supporting the Empire brings them just that.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:51 pm

Argonians are brutal, and they do what the Hist says, so who knows?
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:41 pm

Supporting the Empire brings them just that.

This = Anti slavery, right? They aren't going to get much support from the Empire when they deal with slavery.

I think the plantations where one-offs. They where always the "old fashioned" dunmer, like Orvas Dren, who hates outlanders, and wants to drive them out of Morrowind. I don't think I actually saw slavery outside of them. There was Suran's slave market.. but that was for the plantation owners, right?

The majority of House Hlaalu didn't like slavery, because they wanted to be in the good books of the Empire.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:14 am

Although I shouldn't cite an RP, during Loranna's Lore RP around 2005, the developer Ted Peterson used to write several characters in it, including Helseth and Barenziah (because they were "his" characters when Daggerfall and Morrowind were written). Ted wrote Helseth as abolishing slavery for several reasons, as far as I can remember. He viewed slavery as an indication that Morrowind was backwards -- he wanted to modernize his province. Secondly, his alliance with the Dres had taken the form of a political marriage (though it became more when his wife noted Helseth was an astute leader in battle against the seceding Houses); his wife was part of a younger generation of Dres nobility who weren't interested in being slaveowners. Lastly, by freeing the slaves during a civil war against Houses Redoran and Indoril, Helseth took them by surprise and further weakened his opponents. At one point in the RP, Helseth noted it was his ultimate goal to abolish the House system.

Anyway, this was our experience of Ted's writing -- Helseth wasn't a dyed-in-the-wool abolitionist so much as he wanted to consolidate power and Imperialize his province. While the RP wasn't canon, it echoed and sometimes previewed canon, including the alliance with Dres (though "Oblivion" doesn't mention a political marriage). I hope if there's a TES V that we will learn of Helseth and Barenziah's fates.
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Post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:29 pm

Even thought it was outlawed, I wouldn't be surprised if slavery was still happening on a smaller scale.


In any medevail age of all societies slavery is always constant.
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