Just an idea about CHIM, Akatosh and Lorkhan

Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:57 am

Okay. I'm not a lore buff and i'm not much of a philosopher or poet, but i got an exciting idea when reading this thread about killing Akatosh and all that. Also i have some quiestions
As I understand it, according to lore, TESverse is basically a dream of the Godhead. It's his consciousness.
Belief and faith of this world's inhabitants have great impact on it. Proof: magic and the fact that et'Ada's power depends on the followers.
Aedra are the world's physical laws which ordinary people can't really ignore. However, it doesn't mean it's not possible, right?
Daedra represent ideas which don't have to exist for Mundus to exist, but they do, because they have followers which empower them by expressing the ideas of love, murder and other nice or nasty things.

One can choose not to worship the Daedra, but can't help but 'worship' the Aedra, or, more correctly put, acknowledge their existence, simply because one's physical existence depends on physical laws.

But by 'can't help' I mean 'mentally incapable'. There are those who can surpass this mental block and achieve CHIM, and start percieving the world for what it really is - the collection of ideas that can be ignored...and messed with! ;)

What do you think about all this? I''m just trying to sort all of this out in my head.
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Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:56 pm

the Daedra are as vital to mortal existence as the Aedra are. While most do not outright worship them, all things need change to survive and all mortals have dreams (the realms of Dagon and Vaernima, respectively). Furthermore, I'd say that the Aedra gain power from worship (thats if they do... not entirely sure on that point at this moment) because they are (for all intents and purposes) dead, while the Daedra are very much alive.

otherwise... yea, i'd say thats a pretty solid way of looking at it. its not the essence of what CHIM is, but its part of it.
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Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:16 am

Okay. I'm not a lore buff and i'm not much of a philosopher or poet, but i got an exciting idea when reading this thread about killing Akatosh and all that. Also i have some quiestions
As I understand it, according to lore, TESverse is basically a dream of the Godhead. It's his consciousness.
Belief and faith of this world's inhabitants have great impact on it. Proof: magic and the fact that et'Ada's power depends on the followers.
Aedra are the world's physical laws which ordinary people can't really ignore. However, it doesn't mean it's not possible, right?
Daedra represent ideas which don't have to exist for Mundus to exist, but they do, because they have followers which empower them by expressing the ideas of love, murder and other nice or nasty things.

One can choose not to worship the Daedra, but can't help but 'worship' the Aedra, or, more correctly put, acknowledge their existence, simply because one's physical existence depends on physical laws.

But by 'can't help' I mean 'mentally incapable'. There are those who can surpass this mental block and achieve CHIM, and start percieving the world for what it really is - the collection of ideas that can be ignored...and messed with! ;)

What do you think about all this? I''m just trying to sort all of this out in my head.


"Belief and faith of this world's inhabitants have great impact on it. Proof: magic and the fact that et'Ada's power depends on the followers."

This part of your post rings several bells

My thoughts about this part of your post started when I discovered the benefits of praying at a shrine. You receive 'magical' benefits - but the possible fly in the ointment here is 'what about the dwemer who can manipulate magica while professing non-belief?'

Other 'mundane' type suspicious thoughts centered around the material and financial offerings that are required

Did 'I'/my PC believe in/have faith in, the Gods etc? Well maybe, but I am totally certain that was not the case for others ...

Basically it appeared that I was paying for a service - the mechanism of that service appeared to be contained within a solid state device without moving parts and may have had nothing to do with the deity concerned for all I knew at the time. Was it some sort of matter transmogrifier that turned matter into energy of some kind powered by the offerings brought to it? However that is not to say that the Saint/Deity in whose name the shrine was built did not benefit magically/spiritually from that action
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Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:30 am

"Belief and faith of this world's inhabitants have great impact on it. Proof: magic and the fact that et'Ada's power depends on the followers."

This part of your post rings several bells

My thoughts about this part of your post started when I discovered the benefits of praying at a shrine. You receive 'magical' benefits - but the possible fly in the ointment here is 'what about the dwemer who can manipulate magica while professing non-belief?'

Other 'mundane' type suspicious thoughts centered around the material and financial offerings that are required

Did 'I'/my PC believe in/have faith in, the Gods etc? Well maybe, but I am totally certain that was not the case for others ...

Basically it appeared that I was paying for a service - the mechanism of that service appeared to be contained within a solid state device without moving parts and may have had nothing to do with the deity concerned for all I knew at the time. Was it some sort of matter transmogrifier that turned matter into energy of some kind powered by the offerings brought to it? However that is not to say that the Saint/Deity in whose name the shrine was built did not benefit magically/spiritually from that action

This makes sense. However:
I think it is more or less, just a game mechanism. But in Oblivion(at least) when you click the shrine, you actually pray, altough there's no animation for that. I think so because a character with high Infamy can't be 'heard' by the Gods.
And in case of Daedra Gods, the offering you make is a sufficient ego-booster for them, it seems.
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Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:33 am

What is meant by 'dream of the Godhead'?
Is it some being, much like us humans, that is dreaming and we are his dream(speaking in context of TES) and can this Godhead just wake up and thus kill us all off?
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Post » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:58 pm

What is meant by 'dream of the Godhead'?
Is it some being, much like us humans, that is dreaming and we are his dream(speaking in context of TES) and can this Godhead just wake up and thus kill us all off?

That's where you get Tamriel's doomsday myths. Doomsday shouldn't be thought of as the end, but a step in a cycle of destruction and creation and life and destruction and etc. The dream of the godhead is the aurbis, the idea of chim is to perpetuate beyond the dream, then brood a dream of their own.
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