My story will have some alternate takes on what happens post Morrowind and Oblivion, so don't criticize what I want to do, just help me see if it's lore correct. I also haven't read the book, so I have a bunch of questions about how it would fit in. But in my alternate take of the future, the Redorans and Telvanni will partly survive, I really don't wanna hear about how impossible it is. :hehe:

Well, I'm looking to write a fanfiction that is set during and after Red Year, basically it will detail the story of my character, who was the Agent from DF, the Nerevarine and the CoC. He is a Royal Guard for King Helseth (He is also related to Helseth), and a prestigious member of House Hlaalu. His name is Galvon Rethan.

First question, is it possible for a Dunmer family to have relatives in another House, because one of my driving points of the story is two other characters from Redoran and Telvanni that Galvon is related to? And another character is Salas Valor, from Tribunal, who was friends with Galvon during their teenage years, and Galvon spares him during Tribunal instead of killing him like Almalexia wants. Since Salas is an Ordinator, would that make him a member of House Indroil or not?

Second question, how long after Oblivion did Red year occur?

So the story goes like this, Galvon returns from Cyrodiil to Mournhold, and finds out what has happened since he was gone. He learns of Ald-Ruhn and the Nordic invasion and that Helseth is picking apart Indroil and Redoran. He convinces Helseth to stop, (Not knowing that Helseth continues anyway), and learns that his cousin from Redoran, Dalamus Nerethi, became the Archmaster of Redoran after much of the leadership from Ald-Ruhn was killed. (He himself was almost killed, but the cousin from Telvanni, Endar Telvanni came and teleported him out.) He also learns of Vivec's disappearance, and the creation of the Ingenium. (I take it it would have been created by this point, right?)

Suddenly a violent earthquake shakes the palace. Then Galvon receives a message, (telepathically?) from Endar Telvanni telling that the Ingenium failed and Vvardenfell was completely destroyed and that he, Dalamus, and Divayth Fyr were the only people who managed to escape. (Fyr was Endar's teacher a long time before, and Endar teleported Dalamus out himself, as Dalamus isn't magically gifted.) The three are staying at Port Telvannis in the meantime.

How long after Landfall did the Argonians invade, and was it a surprise or would Helseth have found out and attempted to send a force to stop them? Then I'm gonna have Galvon and Helseth, along with Salas and the Arch patriarch manage to escape the Argonians as they invade Almalexia, and the four head north, with Salas going to the west to warn the scattered Redorans of the incoming invasion and Galvon going to the east to find Endar and Dalamus and attempt to rally the Telvanni to actually do something. Galvon, Endar and Fyr manage to get the Archmagister to have an audience with them and the three try to convince him to try to get the other mage-lords to prepare for the Argonians, however the Archmagister refuses, and Endar kills him for the rank, and then uses considerable amounts of blackmail and intimidation to get the other Mage-Lords support.

The Argonains invade the Telvanni Isles and find the Telvanni have mounted a considerable force of battlemages and the Telvanni ultimately destroy the invasion force.

Bringing me to another question, did the Argonians who invaded all invade at the same time, or did they come in waves? (I hope in waves because thats a plot element.)

The group then heads west to the Velothi mountains where what remains of the Redoran army is preparing to defend their homes. Galvon and Dalamus discuss a detailed plan where the civilians of House Redoran were to immediately evacuate to Solsteim in case the army was to fall. The army barely manages to beat back the Argonians, then the group learns that the Argonians are regrouping and will attack again.

My next question, the Hist have an influence over the Argonians, right? So if the Dunmer could go to Black Marsh and calm the Hist down, would the Argonians stop invading, or not? That is where I left off on my story, because I couldn't really figure out the answer to this, so could someone please help me out here, I don't want the story to just end there.

And the story will only take place in about a ten year span, so that I won't step on the events of the novel, but I'll probably have something in an Epilogue to tie it in.

OH yeah, and in IC, doesn't Umbra throw the sword into Tamriel or something, and a Dunmer picks it up, cause I better put that in here somewhere.

So in conclusion can someone search my plot for lore holes and answer my questions, please. And please don't criticize my plot so far because I worked very hard on thinking it through, just steer me in the right direction if I made any errors.

Thanks :wave:

If you don't want to hear our opinions, why are you asking in the first place? The plausibility of something happening within lore is as much lore as dates, places, or racial attributes.


By marriage, probably.


Most ordinators are Indoril, but not all of them.


No real info, though its probably 1-3, as the book takes place roughly 40 years after the event.


unknown, but probably relatively soon. Even if it was a surprise Helseth might have rallied troops, as MW is a big place. That is presuming that enough of MW and Helseth survives the initial impact and subsequent eruption and tsunamis.


If it was Hist driven, they probably would have come more or less at once (factoring in MW's size, of course, meaning that it wasn't just a steady wave of Argonian from border to border). If it was simply out of revenge, they likely came in waves or whenever they pleased. I got the feeling that they managed to do quite well with gorilla warfare in the southern jungly parts, and everything north of there was devastated enough for them to overwhelm with quantity.


Yes, and good luck with that. I'd LOVE to see a bunch of Dunmer trying to calm down a tree, especially after they have been killing and enslaving the tree's children for thousands of years. It also depends on whether the Hist had something to do with the invasion or not, IFC gave the impression that it was strictly a matter of revenge.

In general, I don't see how there is enough plot for 10 years. The fall of the Ministry and the eruption of Red Mountain happened within a short time of each-other, and devastated the majority of morrowind. There wouldn't be much left in terms of infrastructure or government, and the land would be in chaos. Just when things calm down a bit the Argonians attack, scattering or killing the rest of the population. The Dunmer don't appear to have had the resources to put up a full scale defense or retaliation, least of all for 10 whole years.

Well since every bodies opinion is that the Redorans and Telvanni were stomped, and I don't really don't think that they were hurt nearly as bad as everyone thinks, especially compared to Dres, Hlaalu and Indroil, so what I meant by that statement was I didn't wanna get in any debates.


Thank you.


I guess I didn't know how close Mournhold was to the coast, ugh, maybe I'll just say parts of Almalexia were destroyed but the inner parts survived somehow. I just wanna say that Helseth sent an army but they were pretty easily crushed since Helseth had no Redoran warrior support due to his malevolence and greed.


My story assumes that while a good bit of Morrowind was destroyed by the disaster, some parts like the Velothi Mountains and Telvanni Isles survived. (Personal theory of mine.)



What about through magical means?


Well ten years was kinda an exaggeration, obviously any battles would occur within months after the Argonians started invading. And honestly, I really really think the Telvanni and Redorans could at least put up a fight against the Argonians, I mean really, the Argonians would have been pretty worn down by the time they got so far north, I don't think it's really a stretch that they would stand a chance, and I can't really write a story if they didn't at least partly survive.

EDIT: Okay, I guess I could change the plot so that the Redorans are ultimately destroyed in their battle, but they held off the Argonains long enough for whats left of Redoran to retreat to Solstheim, is that better? :unsure:

Well, its your story, so you can do what ever you want.

In terms of the Hist, well, we don't even know if Argonians can fully communicate with them. We know that the Hist can 'talk' to Argonians, but we are never shown Argonians talking to Hist. Furthermore, they are pretty vengeful, as shown by the IFC (though that one was rouge) and them hassling Cyrus in the afterlife. Even if they had nothing to do with the invasion of Morrowind, I can't see a reason they would want to help the people who have been hurting them, their children, and their land for millennia.

and it is possible to kill a hist; we do so in our only experience with a sapling one.

So you don't think the Argonians would be stopped until their thirst for revenge is fulfilled? What if someone destroyed a Hist Tree? I guess it was just piss off the Argonians more though :shrug: I had this original idea of my hero and a couple others going down through southern Morrowind fighting Argonians on the way and meeting isolated groups of Indoril and Dres survivors, but I guess I'm gonna scrap that.

This is a hard thing to build a plot around. I also think I'm gonna have the Telvanni get crushed in a battle too, so the story is a little more believable, but I'll probably have them retreat to Port Telvannis and eventually defeat the horde thats come for them there. Maybe that would be closer to what actually happened.

EDIT: You know, I was thinking about this, if coastal cities up North like Firewatch and Blacklight would be dominated by Tsunamis, why wouldn't Solstheim? :wacko:

Yes, the Hist have done so. However, it seems that unless you completely burn it with fire and nuke it from orbit it has a chance of coming back, more pissed than ever. Gota get the roots, and all.

Dang, so how exactly did the Hist even contribute to the Argonians invasion, I've heard people mention the Argonains to be under their influence somehow? I'm really confused.

Hist can like mind control argonians.

Oh, is there alot of Hist Trees in Argonia or isn't it well known? I'm trying to figure out how the Argonians would stop fighting. Does the book say anything about it?

We don't really know. I believe there are groves of them in the deep marsh (no source, til down), and Lilmoth has its own tree, so I assume they are fairly numerous.

I would say the Argonians stopped fighting because they ran out of things to fight. Revenge is not an all consuming force, once they killed the obvious Dunmer they had little reason to stick around, especially in a land thats completely barren. Most returned to their homeland, others settled in southern Morrowind.

But surely the would've seen the Dunmer retreat to Solstheim, wouldn't they follow? Basically I want the Redorans and the Telvanni to win a small engagement, then fall to a much greater force, then retreat to Solstheim/Port Telvannis. So wouldn't the Argonians follow? Or just let it go?

The Argonians aren't an organized military force, they are loose bands of fighters taking advantage of the situation. Once you get far enough into Morrowind theres nothing left for them, no people to kill and more importantly no sources of food or supplies. We know they got as far as Vivec, though how many of them it was is uncertain. I think that following the Dunmer into Soltheim is simply too much effort for an impromptu slaver killing.

Mhmm, I see. So I guess that means no Hist to destroy, no king to kill. Not the best for story telling. :meh: Oh well.

Not all stories have to be about epic conflicts. I personally would much rather read a story about the internal and interpersonal conflict of an individual character following the distruction than the story of a battle which could really take place anywhere at any time. The Dunmer lost everything...how does that make them feel? How do they deal with it? How do they structure their new society? Do they still cling to their religion? Sooo many themes to explore, I don't think the lack of Hist makes it a bad story.

Well of course that's a big part of the story, but somewhere something has to actually lead them to Solstheim and Telvannis. The battles that occur, within themselves will serve to show just how desperate the Dunmer are. I want to show how the Dunmer will settle in Solstheim, but they actually have to get ravaged in order to settle there first. The Hist thing was just a reason to get the main character away from the conflicts so they would seem all the more desperate.