For some reason, in UESP they call every Daedric higher being a prince..

I thought they were mostly made of up so called "Lords"

Like, in Oblivion the Azura followers call Azura a Lord

Also, in the book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Modern_Heretics they say:

Azura:

Malacath:


Though in the book http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Darkest_Darkness they make no mention of the lord/prince title of Daedra higher beings,
instead, they name Azura the "Goddess" of Dusk and Dawn, which is strange as Aedra are the only ones normally referred to as gods.. And they name Boethiah as the Father of Plots.

Another example of the "Lord" title if http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Hiding_with_the_Shadow which says


And another in Varieties of Daedra which says



I mean, it seems to me that they may to be refferred to either for a certain Grammatical reason
for example

Lord
A titled Peer of the real -- Oblivion realms perhaps?
One with authorities over others -- Daedra?
Straight from the definitions books however "Lord is a title with various meanings. It can denote a prince or a feudal superior (especially a feudal tenant who holds directly from the king, i.e., a baron). ..."
This confuses me, if so technically shouldnt the daedra lords have power of princes?
Or is there no actual difference and is just a term used by certain individuals

Does Mehrunes dagon the "Prince" of destruction have any less power than the many lords among him? Although, Mythic Dawn members often refer to him as Lord Dagon.

Prince is a member of a royal family
If so, are the daedra lords related, and is Mehrunes Dagon just a kin of an even higher being?

The daedric princes are referred as princes, that is why they are called Daedric princes. Also, they have no gender, so Azura is still called a PRINCE. Lord can be used though.

Then why is it so many books and people refer to them as Lords?
I mean, really I have never experienced people calling them princes excluding dagon
I have never heard "Prince Sheogorath" or "Prince Azura"

Although they have no gender I think there is a certain distinction, as in the voices they are different

maybe though they are considered to not have genders as they have no sixual intercourse and make no kin
And that is truly what defines gender.

"Prince" is, hmm, a title. "Lord" is generic word for high-ranked being. "Daedra Lord" also are horned guys with the axes, subordinates of Dagon in "Battlespire".

I'd imagine the whole prince aspect of it is a granted title, similar to lord, or god. They are higher beings that deal with metaphysical aspects of existence, each operating within a single sphere, which is an outward manifestation of their nature.

The Daedric Princes is the accepted and more common acknowledgment of their other-world and powerful existence. Lord can be a title demonstrated out of respect, or as a synonym for Prince. That said, not all people respect the Daedric Princes.

The term prince may also be a term used to equalize the sense of power and scope shared amongst the Daedric lords, as they all represent some aspect of change equally, though different. Though they rule different realms, though they all rule a realm. There is no king or queen of the Daedra that commands a higher authority than them.

This, Deagonx

Prince is almost always used as a connection to a bloodline... So, maybe these beings came to be by the very existence of their reign? Such as saying the existence of Creatures brought the Daedric Prince Malacath into creation

That is also correct, and probably a far more reasonable assertion than mine.

Your last post though seems a little iffy. The Daedric Princes represent a sphere having to deal with change, and as a result, have continuously interfered in the dealings of the mortals present within the Mundus. Such meddling has resulted in changing the very nature of creatures, altering what they are into something that reflects the sphere that changed them.

Malacath was not created by creatures, rather his creation was brought about by the devouring of Trinimac by Boethia, who essentially crapped out after Trinimac was digested. As a result, all those who followed Trinimac became distorted and warped, which lead to the creation of the Orsimer.

It's a title! Lord can, and has, been used to also describe higher ranking lesser daedra, so using prince is a definite way to clarify what daedra you are talking about.

No bloodline.
They just are.
Also, many of the princes do not consider Malacath a daedric prince, as he wasn't a daedra at the start, he was turned into a daedric being later. He was the hero god, Trinimac, earlier.

1 a : monarch, king b : the ruler of a principality or state
2 : a male member of a royal family; especially : a son of the sovereign
3 : a nobleman of varying rank and status
4 : one likened to a prince; especially : a man of high rank or of high standing in his class or profession

Though, back to saying the lords were the ones that are higher than princes

Mehrunes Dagon had to spend a lot of time and effort upon getting imself into the realm of Tamriel..
Namira however, entered without any spectacular need. (The Beggar Prince)

And why is it, it seems a demi-god Almalexia defeated Mehunres Dagon (Although the Nerevarine easily defeated her) in morrowind.
It took a true Aedra to defeat Mehrunes dagon in Oblivion.

Is this just because they need to add more quests in the storyline?

demi-gods can die, gods can't. She was a god in her prime at that time, she lost that godness when the heart was gone. Also, times before were a lot more screwy back then.

It seems to me Mehrunes Dagon has shown up on multiple occasions always to be defeated. Every time the way he does it is setup up riskfully..
its a bit obnoxious to see a daedric prince act so narrow mindedly

Don't earlier games refer to them as princes?

Also, referring to an earlier post, is it more nearly accurate to say Daedra princes have no gender or that Daedra princes can choose their gender at will? Or maybe both are true in some way.

Lord Dagon is the Prince of Destruction, he wants to destroy, he suceeded partly before the Tribunal came and stopped him by banishing him back to Oblivion.
Lord Dagon is also the Prince of Natural Disasters, do Natural Disasters think before they destroy something? No, they just do it.

That is his personality, that is who Lord Dagon is.

You mage it seem like mehrunes dagon is some crazed demon always trying to kill everyone.

Well he can't go back to being a kindly leaper demon till he blows up all the stuff he stole from previous kalpas.

It seems to me that the titles are interchangable, I've seen both usages before, and it seems like neither one is really inaccurate. Just don't go calling Azura a Daedric Princess, that would be inaccurate.



That's true, if it were someone else, I'd say that he was an idiot, but in Mehrunes Dagon's case, it seems to fit his nature, besides, we can't exactly have him succeeding as it would be pretty hard to continue the Elder Scrolls series if everything got destroyed.

I'm pretty sure it started out as "princes", and "lord" was used as to be less confusing with those who take on a female form (Azura, Namira, etc.)

You can use whatever title you so please, as long as you recognise the awesomeness of hircine.

The princes could change their form to anything they want. Boethia(h) is known to be male or female, depending on what (s)he wants to do. Their forms are pretty much stuck like that, because having it change radically every game would be confusing, and they should keep their form symbolic of their spheres for it'd be very weird if a prince, lets say Hircine, to look like Bugs Bunny instead of a hunter, or Peryite not looking like a mockery of Akatosh, or Vaemire not looking so nightmarish.

Hmmm, now that you mention it, the way I seem to recall the two names being used is that when referring to the multitudinous principalities of Oblivion in some way, then you use the title 'Prince'. For example, Princes of Oblivion, or Daedric Princes. But when you're referring to a specific Prince in context of THAT Prince, then you use 'Lord.' For example, Lord of Madness, Lord Sheogorath, Lord of Moonshadow. Note: Prince of Sphere and Lord of Sphere can be interchangeable depending on the context.

Hmmm. Interesting.

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