Mod specific crashes : IV

» Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:48 am

I'm getting crashes when attempting to load up save games when running either Tears of the Fiend or The Lost Spires. I run all the necessary patches for them to work without conflict, namely for better cities, IMPEreal forts and the UL mods (though these conflicts are landscape tears rather than game crashers).

This is my load order without the problem causing mods running. All my load order sorting is done by boss.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5b]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5b]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]06  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.7.0]07  CM Partners.esm08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]09  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0A  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0B  Better Cities .esp0C  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0D  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.0]0E  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp0F  PCSoundKensai.esp  [Version 2.7]10  WindowLightingSystem.esp11  AliveWaters.esp12  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp13  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp14  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Brighter_Torches.esp15  Fish! - v1.1.esp16  P1DseeYouSleep.esp17  Crowded Cities 15.esp18  Crowded Roads.esp  [Version 2.0]19  Populated Prisons.esp1A  Alluring Potion Bottles.esp1B  CapesandCloaks.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  RustyItems.esp1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp20  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp21  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp22  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp23  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp24  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]25  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]26  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]27  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]28  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]29  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2A  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp  [Version 1.39c]2F  Cats & Rats for Francescos.esp30  00RBScribeSupplies Intensive.esp31  A_ship_near_Anvil-7781.esp32  Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp33  Ancient Ruins - Ayleid Edition.esp34  Anvil_MorningGloryBetterCities_Mixed.esp35  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.7]36  Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp37  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp38  300_White Stallion 4.esp39  GlenvarCastle.esp3A  Players with Jobs.esp3B  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp3C  Elder Council Plugin 1.1.esp3D  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp3E  Villages1.1.esp3F  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.3]40  RTT.esp41  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]42  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp43  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.Non-COBL]44  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]45  ElsweyrAnequina.esp46  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.7]47  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]48  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]49  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]4A  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp4B  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0]4C  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4D  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4E  xulTheHeath.esp4F  XulEntiusGorge.esp50  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]51  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp52  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]53  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]54  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]55  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]56  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]57  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]58  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]59  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]5A  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]5B  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]5C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5D  xulPantherRiver.esp5E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]60  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]61  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]63  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]64  Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp65  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]66  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp67  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]68  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]69  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]6A  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]6B  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]6C  LCE-addon.esp6D  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]6E  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp6F  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]70  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]71  MidasSpells.esp72  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]73  Francesco's level up mini mod - Slower skills x1.5.esp74  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp75  Let There Be Darkness - Glenvar Castle.esp76  Let There Be Darkness - Elsweyr.esp77  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp78  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp79  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp7A  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]7B  CM Partners.esp7C  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7D  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7E  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7F  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]80  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]81  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]82  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.7.0]83  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.0]84  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Does anyone have any idea what could be causing the crashes?

» Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:53 pm

I don't know what causes the crashes, but I've had problems in the past with Lost Spires crashing when saving.
But there are a few things you can do.
Clean the save game (remove bloat) using Wrye Bash.
Change the load order of the mods and see if that helps.
Start a new game or load a working save. Then form console write
TAI
TSCR
Now try loading the faulty save and see if it works.

» Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:31 pm

Actually, Lost Spires will work if I load it right at the bottom of the load order, with only its necessary patches, the respective mods that those affect and my bashed patch below it. Arthmoor told me that that would cause issues with better cities and the the order like that just generally wasn't a good idea, and since it is a pain to load ordering like that with boss, I dropped the mod for the time being. I haven't tried this with Tears of the Fiend.

Save bloating isn't a problem, I've checked numerous times with Wrye Bash and it tells me every time that I have no bloat.

I'll try the console commands you've given me and see if they help.

I don't think its a problem with my saves though, because it gives me crashes regardless of what save I load. Since these two mods are arguably the best two quest mods ever made, I'm assuming the problem would have to be on my end somewhere else.