Would the dwemer have been in cyrodiil at all? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:11 am

it just occured to me that the orrery in the Arcane University is in cyrodiil. it was to my understanding the dwemer were only ever found in morrowind, high rock and hammerfell? why was the orrery in oblivion then portrayed to be at the centre of cyrodiil? is it possible there would have been dwemer down that far south?

edit: typo

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:57 pm

The building that the Orrery is housed in, interestingly, is not Dwemer. It's possible that it had been moved from somewhere else to the Arcane University, or constructed by the Dwemer for the Alessian Empire (as Dumac was present at the coronation of the Alessian Emperor).

Edit: Sorry, meant Dumac, rather than Kagrenac.

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:15 pm

The building that the Orrery is housed in, interestingly, is not Dwemer. It's possible that it had been moved from somewhere else to the Arcane University, or constructed by the Dwemer for the Alessian Empire (as Kagrenac was present at the coronation of the Alessian Emperor).

the dwemer were around then? i thought they disapeared way before that? having the orrery moved to cyrodiil makes sense though. i wonder if the ayleids could have been involved with that...

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:07 am

A sect of Dwemer did leave Morrowind for Hammerfall, Cyrodiil is right between the two - I don't imagine they walked around through Skyrim just for kicks...

Then again, if they left from northern Morrowind they might have gone through Skyrim, so who knows.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:54 am

the dwemer were around then? i thought they disapeared way before that? having the orrery moved to cyrodiil makes sense though. i wonder if the ayleids could have been involved with that...

Yes, Dumac and Nerevar were present at the Alessian Emperor's coronation in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rislav_The_Righteous.

And sorry for getting Dumac and Kagrenac confused...

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:02 pm

hmm interesting, though i guess it would have made sense for dwemer to have gone through at poiint since there both in hammerfell and morrowind

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:53 pm

Maybe the Orrey was a gift from Dumac?

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:52 pm

I don't think Dumac would randomly gift a whole orrery to the Alessians, who had a deep running hatred with all elves. The parts used to repair it came from Morrowind (and Hammerfell? Can't recall), so I think it was probably set up later, likely by Tiber, from some place in Morrowind.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:02 am

Well I was just trying to throw an explanation. Yours sounds better.

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:45 pm

The parts used to repair it came from Morrowind (and Hammerfell? Can't recall)

Morrowind. And I get the impression that I've stumbled across a book or something that mentioned the Orrery's origins as being from Kemel-Ze. But I can't find anything now so maybe I was just hallucinating.

Also might have been from Ald-ruhn.

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:49 pm

I don't think Dumac would randomly gift a whole orrery to the Alessians, who had a deep running hatred with all elves. The parts used to repair it came from Morrowind (and Hammerfell? Can't recall), so I think it was probably set up later, likely by Tiber, from some place in Morrowind.

It might have been something like a peace offering, or a gesture to improve relations between them. The Chimer and Dwemer didn't need two human nations attacking them.

By the way, is there any information on how old the Arcane University is?

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:15 pm

I remember from the Morrowind game selecting on "Dwemer Ruins" and them always saying that "Dwemer ruins can be found all over Tamriel but most predominately in Vvardenfell and Morrowind..." So I just thought it was one of the last remaining Dwemer Ruins (the Orrery) in Cyrodiil. Am I wrong in remembering that?

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:35 pm

Well, the Mage's guild goes back to the 2nd Era, but the building itself must've been around since Ayleid times.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:25 am

I remember from the Morrowind game selecting on "Dwemer Ruins" and them always saying that "Dwemer ruins can be found all over Tamriel but most predominately in Vvardenfell and Morrowind..." So I just thought it was one of the last remaining Dwemer Ruins (the Orrery) in Cyrodiil. Am I wrong in remembering that?

I don't think so, I can't imagine that either the Ayleids or the Imperials would take kindly to the godless Dwemer building a settlement in their lands.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:09 am

Tamriel's borders are changing all the time, so it's not much of a stretch to assume that the Cyrodiilic side of the Valus Mountains as seen in TES:IV *might* have been considered part of Resdayn, and therefore could very well house Dwemer ruins, though they're probably buried under miles of rock, since TES:IV doesn't have any Dwemer ruins on the surface.

It's not that unlikely, there's Ayleid ruins which have suffered similar fates, like the one under Sideways Cave, and Varsa Baalim in the Mehrune's Razor DLC.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:52 am

Oh, maybe it was "Dwemer Ruins can be found all over MORROWIND but they are predominately found on Vvardenfell..." Sorry about the confusion.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:37 am

You had the quote correct. It says all over Tamriel. Also, the Rourken did go by way of Skyrim, where they had the battle of Rourken-Shalidor.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:24 am

Well, the Mage's guild goes back to the 2nd Era, but the building itself must've been around since Ayleid times.

Just because Cyrdiil city has been around since Aylied times doesn't mean the Arcane University has. I'd reckon most of the city has been destroyed and built over several times.

» Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:22 pm

It might have been something like a peace offering, or a gesture to improve relations between them. The Chimer and Dwemer didn't need two human nations attacking them.

It could be just a trade contract. It is possible that some dwemer inventions was traded with other nations (for example pin locks described in "History of Lock Picking"). The question is did really Alessians needed the Orrey.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:31 am

It could be just a trade contract. It is possible that some dwemer inventions was traded with other nations (for example pin locks described in "History of Lock Picking"). The question is did really Alessians needed the Orrey.

if its a trade contract what would the allesians have given the dwemer?

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:55 am

They've been everywhere.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:55 am

Just because Cyrdiil city has been around since Aylied times doesn't mean the Arcane University has. I'd reckon most of the city has been destroyed and built over several times.

Well, White-Gold was built by the Ayleids, wasn't it? The Arcane university central structure is in the same style as White Gold, so I assumed that they were built by the same architects.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:19 am

The White-Gold was built by the Ayleids, yes, but likely restored and perhaps built ontop of by the later dynasties. Theres no way its still standing in perfect condition after 4k years without any maintenance. The buildings are likely built to emulate it, and their being 4k years old is even more unlikely (thats like living in the pyramids, in terms of age comparison). Now, you could pull "magic" on me, but a wholy static city is boring (and can be disproven)

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:30 am

If the other races are in it, I do not see why the dwemer would not.

» Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:13 am

There is evidence that supports that the imperial city was built over and older ayleid city. The old way takes you to that old ayleid city so i assume that the current imperial city was built later on top of those ruins. Assumeing this is true then it would make sinse that the arcane university was built at a later time period. Another thing that peaks my interests about this subject is tiber septims interest in dwemer ruins and in perticular the dwemer orrery. If he had an orrery already in the imperial city why would he want the one on stros m'kai? This leads me to the conclusion that the orrery was moved to the imperial city sometime in the septim dynasty.