What's the Dark Brotherhood's stance on Daedra worship?

Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:01 pm

What does the Dark Brotherhood think of the Daedra and their worshippers? Do they have any connections since they are both Padomay-aligned? And what does the Daedra worshippers think of Sithis and the DB?
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:05 pm

What does the Dark Brotherhood think of the Daedra and their worshippers? Do they have any connections since they are both Padomay-aligned? And what does the Daedra worshippers think of Sithis and the DB?


Pretty sure they're cool with it. I mean, the Night Mother is Mephala, or at least some kind of avatar of hers.
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:35 pm

They unknowingly worship Melphala and Lorkhan, most likely under the guise of the Night Mother and Sithis, respectively. They also took help from Mehrunes Dagon worshipers in Morrowind.

And now for my obligatory explanation about Sithis.
No, Sithis isn't some dark god of death or what have you. Instead, Sithis is the soul of Padomay, the primal force opposite to Anu. When thinking about the two, here is what it comes out to
Padomay: zero, chaos, black, the unstoppable force, etc
Anu: Infinity, stasis, white, the unmovable object, etc

Within the stasis, Sithis came in and gave it a push, and the grey maybe came. So, instead of things being infinity tall or zero tall, there is variance. Things are born, change, and die. Both aspects of stasis and chaos intertwine, which is why Sithis gets credit for being the one who started it all, as Sithis gave the initial push.

In short, Sithis is nothing more than a force, or a natural law. You cannot worship Entropy (unless it's Nurgle :chaos: ), gravity, and so on, they just are. Gravity isn't sentient, it's a force. Think of Sithis in the same light as this. Sithis isn't evil, it doesn't acknowledge, let alone care, if you slew 50 people in their sleep, and so on. The Sithis in the DB is most likely Melphala having some fun, and/or Lorkhan (as that is what the statue in the DLC looks more like, Lorkhan).

To keep it clear, Sithis is a force (lets use gravity as an example). You may worship gravity, but gravity isn't going to know or care, for it is just a force. Either way, everything will still fall at an acceleration of 9.81 m/s^2.

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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:43 am

It appears that the Cyrodiilic Dark Brotherhood, which has been adequately explained by others, is separate from the Morrowind Dark Brotherhood. The Morrowind Dark Brotherhood, in particular, not only is in alliance with worshipers of Mehrunes Dagon, but at least a few of their own appear to worship him themselves.
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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:57 am

Could one say that the Daedra are manifestations of Sithis?
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Post » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:59 pm

Could one say that the Daedra are manifestations of Sithis?

No, I don't think so.
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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:25 am

No, I don't think so.


Well, think about it. They're all Padomay-aligned, so doesn't that mean they are conected somehow with Sithis/Padomay? I think of them as "masks" or personalities to this force that does not have a personality or a consciousness as we know it, because it is beyond human comprehension.

Edit: Sort of like Satan and his demons if you will. Satan is Sithis/Padomay and the Daedra are it's demons.

I know they're not seen as demons in the lore, but still, it's kind of like that.
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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:25 am

Well, think about it. They're all Padomay-aligned, so doesn't that mean they are conected somehow with Sithis/Padomay? I think of them as "masks" or personalities to this force that does not have a personality or a consciousness as we know it, because it is beyond human comprehension.

Edit: Sort of like Satan and his demons if you will. Satan is Sithis/Padomay and the Daedra are it's demons.

I know they're not seen as demons in the lore, but still, it's kind of like that.

Wow, so much misunderstanding. First off, I'd remove the whole idea of who is Padomay aligned and who is Anu aligned, all the gods are a mix of both, ignore what the altmer tell you. The daedra are beings that did not contribute to the creation of Mundus, and live in Oblivion. In actuality, I'd say they're only changers in Mundus, but they themselves are extremely static. They're also immortal in the sense that when you kill their physical shell, their spiritual self goes to the waters of Oblivion, which is complete sensory deprevation, except the constantly feeling of ultimate cold. This is why lesser daedra align themselves with a prince, so they can be quickly taken out of the waters of Oblivion. Also, the princes are their realm, and their realm is the prince.

If you actually read my earlier post, you would know that Sithis/Padomay is NOT some sort of Satan or anything of that sort. Let me requote myself so you get a better understanding.

No, Sithis isn't some dark god of death or what have you. Instead, Sithis is the soul of Padomay, the primal force opposite to Anu. When thinking about the two, here is what it comes out to
Padomay: zero, chaos, black, the unstoppable force, etc
Anu: Infinity, stasis, white, the unmovable object, etc

Within the stasis, Sithis came in and gave it a push, and the grey maybe came. So, instead of things being infinity tall or zero tall, there is variance. Things are born, change, and die. Both aspects of stasis and chaos intertwine, which is why Sithis gets credit for being the one who started it all, as Sithis gave the initial push.

In short, Sithis is nothing more than a force, or a natural law. You cannot worship Entropy (unless it's Nurgle :chaos: ), gravity, and so on, they just are. Gravity isn't sentient, it's a force. Think of Sithis in the same light as this. Sithis isn't evil, it doesn't acknowledge, let alone care, if you slew 50 people in their sleep, and so on. The Sithis in the DB is most likely Melphala having some fun, and/or Lorkhan (as that is what the statue in the DLC looks more like, Lorkhan).

To keep it clear, Sithis is a force (lets use gravity as an example). You may worship gravity, but gravity isn't going to know or care, for it is just a force. Either way, everything will still fall at an acceleration of 9.81 m/s^2.


To end, http://imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth
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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:56 am

Wow, so much misunderstanding. First off, I'd remove the whole idea of who is Padomay aligned and who is Anu aligned, all the gods are a mix of both, ignore what the altmer tell you. The daedra are beings that did not contribute to the creation of Mundus, and live in Oblivion. In actuality, I'd say they're only changers in Mundus, but they themselves are extremely static. They're also immortal in the sense that when you kill their physical shell, their spiritual self goes to the waters of Oblivion, which is complete sensory deprevation, except the constantly feeling of ultimate cold. This is why lesser daedra align themselves with a prince, so they can be quickly taken out of the waters of Oblivion. Also, the princes are their realm, and their realm is the prince.

If you actually read my earlier post, you would know that Sithis/Padomay is NOT some sort of Satan or anything of that sort. Let me requote myself so you get a better understanding.



To end, http://imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth


Woops, how'd I miss that? Well thanks for clearing it up to me.
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Post » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:29 am

It's easy to miss, honestly, unless you really are into reading the in-game literature. Hardly anything at all during in-game dialogue goes into the deeper metaphysical natures of any of the gods.

In fact, I'm willing to bet the average Tamriel citizen is as clueless as most of us about the nature of the Divines and Daedra. Even among the clergy, I'm willing to bet only the upper echelons ever study and debate on the matter they're made out of and how they came to be formed.

It's like the real world difference between a local small church preacher and a world class theologian who has went to college and studied books and books of theories about the nature of the Christian God. The latter is much more educated and has a very different view on religious matters as a result. Even though they may both argue in favor of their religion they'd go about it in very different ways.


I'll bet less than 5% of the population of Tamriel is very well read on the subject of divine metaphysics and the precise differences between Daedra and Divines. It's just not something that comes up a lot in their day to day lives. Many of them are poor farmers or soldiers who favor reading material of a less heavy variety. They go to Chapel and learn to worship the Divines because they made the world and they're good, end of story. The Elder Council and the Emperor are usually scholars on this subject, as are some wealthy nobles and sorcerers. Vivec was extremely knowledgeable about the inner workings of the Universe and had his own college dedicated to these theories.
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